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The discussion revolves around calculating the number of 5-letter "words" from the letters of "ELEMENTS" with alternating vowels and consonants. Two cases are considered: one starting with a vowel and the other with a consonant, leading to initial calculations of 120 and 360, respectively. The participant realizes the need to account for the repetition of the letter 'E', which should divide the total by 3. After correcting the calculations, the total number of valid arrangements is confirmed to be 80. The importance of recognizing repeated letters in combinatorial problems is emphasized.
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Homework Statement


Given the letters of the word ELEMENTS, how many 5 letter "words" can be found in which vowels and consonants alternate


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I see the need to use Cases here because the pattern can either go:

v c v c v

or

c v c v c

So I did:

Case 1 : vowel starts 3 5 2 4 1 = 120
Case 2: consonant starts 5 3 4 2 3 = 360

Add them up to get 480, however the answer says 80. What went wrong? Or was that a typo mistake?
 
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Is there any difference between the first and last E?
 
Don't think so.
 
So how many different ways are there to arrange the vowels?
 
Nevermind, I found out what I did wrong, I forgot to divide each case by 3! for the repetitive E's.
 
What do you mean "nevermind", that was what Nate was pointing out all along.
 
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