Questions about light speed, time, and dimensions.

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The discussion revolves around the nature of time, its potential dimensions, and its relationship with the speed of light. Participants explore theoretical concepts related to time, spacetime, and the implications of light speed in various contexts, including gravitational effects and the structure of the universe.

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  • Some participants propose the idea that time could have more than one dimension, questioning whether time can move in ways beyond human perception, such as backwards.
  • There is a discussion about whether time can stop, with some participants distinguishing between coordinate time and proper time, and noting that coordinate time can approach zero under certain conditions, such as at the event horizon of a black hole.
  • Participants discuss the intrinsic relationship between time and the speed of light, suggesting that the framework of special relativity is built around the constancy of light speed.
  • Some participants challenge the notion of light speed being constant, noting that light can bend and change speed in different mediums and gravitational fields, while clarifying that the constant speed of light refers to its speed in a vacuum.
  • There is a question raised about whether the universe can be considered a vacuum, with some participants arguing that the presence of matter suggests it cannot be entirely a vacuum.
  • A participant expresses a desire to further their education in physics, indicating a personal interest in understanding these concepts more deeply.

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The discussion contains multiple competing views and remains unresolved on several points, particularly regarding the nature of time, the implications of light speed, and the characterization of the universe as a vacuum.

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Participants express varying levels of expertise, with some suggesting that distinctions like coordinate and proper time may be too advanced for the original poster. The discussion also reflects a range of interpretations of theoretical concepts without reaching consensus.

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This discussion may be of interest to enthusiasts of physics, students exploring concepts of time and light, and individuals considering further education in STEM fields.

YoungDreamer
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I am not a scientist just an observer and enthusiast.

We have 3 spatial dimensions and one dimension of time. What I have been wondering is...
could time have more than one dimension? I mean we percieve time as a continuous line, but can time move in other ways that we cannot percieve, like backwards. If so could this be another dimension of time?
Time can slow down and speed up in certain high gravity scenarios, can time stop?

When we look at distant objects in the universe we see them as they were when the light we are seeing left them, which could be millions of years. So this brings me to my next question, and I'm sure the answer is probably somewhere in Einstiens work, but are time and the speed of light related, aside from the fact that I just mentioned. If its easier to just point out a site that I should read instead of writing out the answers please do so.
 
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Take a look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time-space#Privileged_character_of_3.2B1_spacetime

When you say can time stop do you mean coordinate time or proper time? Coordinate time can stop simply because the coordinate chart you are using is "bad" or singular at some point or surface. Take, for example, schwarzchild coordinates that describe a very specific class of black holes: at the event horizon of the black hole this coordinate system breaks down - the coordinate time goes to zero. So yes coordinate time can go to zero for the simple reason that a coordinate chart that you constructed is singular. However, I don't think there is ever a situation where matter could experience a vanishing proper time which is the time a clock in its own reference frame measures. Photons, on the other hand, travel on paths that have zero proper time.
 
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YoungDreamer said:
When we look at distant objects in the universe we see them as they were when the light we are seeing left them, which could be millions of years. So this brings me to my next question, and I'm sure the answer is probably somewhere in Einstiens work, but are time and the speed of light related, aside from the fact that I just mentioned.

Speed is defined in terms of time.
 
WannabeNewton said:
When you say can time stop do you mean coordinate time or proper time? Coordinate time can stop simply because the coordinate chart you are using is "bad" or singular at some point or surface. Take, for example, schwarzchild coordinates that describe a very specific class of black holes: at the event horizon of the black hole this coordinate system breaks down - the coordinate time goes to zero and the radial coordinate goes to infinity. So yes coordinate time can go to zero for the simple reason that a coordinate chart that you constructed is singular. However, I don't think there is ever a situation where matter could experience a vanishing proper time which is the time a clock in its own reference frame measures. Photons, on the other hand, travel on paths that have zero proper time.

The radial coordinate doesn't go to infinity, it goes to 2M, the Schwarzschild radius. What you mean is the dr²-part of the metric, this indeed approaches infinity. Apart from that, I don't think the original poster's level of expertise isn't high enough as to introduce distinctions like coordinate and proper time, we should start it easy!

To answer some of the original poster's questions:

In special and general relativity, which are part of the best description of the physical nature we have, spacetime consists of four dimensions. Different dimensions of time are simply not part of the theory. There are however theories/hypotheses which include higher spacetime dimensions, for example String theory, which can be formulated in 10 dimensions.

Time and the speed of light are kind of intrinsically related in the sense that the whole framework of special relativity is built around the constancy of the speed of light. The theory tells us how different observers experience time and how it all fits together.
 
bcrowell said:
Speed is defined in terms of time.

Obviously, but that could be said about any kind of speed. I think that it would make sense to rephrase this question as: What makes the speed of light special and what impact has it on the concept of time?
 
Polyrhythmic said:
The radial coordinate doesn't go to infinity, it goes to 2M, the Schwarzschild radius. What you mean is the dr²-part of the metric, this indeed approaches infinity.

Yes sorry I meant g_rr.
 
When you say the speed of light is constant what does that mean specifically, doesn't light bend and change speed in different mediums and in different gravitational fields.
 
YoungDreamer said:
When you say the speed of light is constant what does that mean specifically, doesn't light bend and change speed in different mediums and in different gravitational fields.

Light bends in the presence of gravitational fields. Also, the speed of light can be different depending on the medium. When we talk about constant speed of light we mean that it is constant in vacuum.
 
Or is that irrelevant because it refers to light speed in a vacuum
 
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nevermind you just said that
 
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Is the universe in its entirety a vacuum or just the empty space? Would this affect calculations, since the universe contains so much matter why do we use light speed in a vaccum. Its not always in a vacuum right? Is that accounted for in the calculations?

Sorry I'm such an amateur, I just have a deep passion for these things, I always have, and now I'm looking into going back to school so I can answer my questions myself.
 
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YoungDreamer said:
Sorry I'm such an amateur, I just have a deep passion for these things, I always have, and now I'm looking into going back to school so I can answer my questions myself.

Cool! I teach at a community college, and my best students are often "reentry" students, i.e., those who are coming back to school.

You will have an easier time making sense out of relativity if you read an organized presentation in a book. Some special relativity books that I like are (from easiest to hardest):

Takeuchi, An Illustrated Guide to Relativity
Mermin, It's About Time: Understanding Einstein's Relativity
Taylor and Wheeler, Spacetime Physics

If you dig into one of these and come up with questions, we can try to answer them for you.

-Ben
 
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YoungDreamer said:
Is the universe in its entirety a vacuum or just the empty space?

The universe is filled with all kinds of matter, how could it be a vacuum?
 

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