Questions about Representing Signals in Frequency Domain

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The discussion revolves around the representation of signals in the frequency domain, focusing on the differences between periodic and non-periodic signals, the implications of transforming signals into the frequency domain, and the interpretation of frequency domain plots. The scope includes theoretical aspects and conceptual clarifications.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that non-periodic signals have a continuous frequency representation while periodic signals have a discrete representation, while others challenge this by stating that both types can be represented using Fourier series and Fourier transforms.
  • There is a discussion about the meaning of transforming a signal into the frequency domain, particularly regarding the representation of a rectangular wave as a sinc function and the reasons for its decay.
  • Participants question what the y-axis represents in frequency domain plots, with some suggesting it indicates amplitude and others seeking clarification on what this amplitude refers to.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the frequency domain plots they are familiar with, noting that they typically show DC at 0 Hz and higher frequencies increasing along the x-axis.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on the amplitude in the context of frequency, relating it back to the original time-domain waveform.
  • There is a request for recommendations on Signal & Systems textbooks that focus more on concepts rather than just the mathematical aspects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the representation of periodic and non-periodic signals in the frequency domain, with no consensus reached on the implications of these representations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the interpretation of amplitude in frequency domain plots.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about the representation of signals may depend on specific definitions or contexts, and there are unresolved questions about the physical interpretation of frequency domain representations.

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I have a couple of questions regarding the representation of a signal in the frequency domain I wish someone could help me with..

1-why is it when we represent a non-periodic signal in the frequency domain it is continuous while the frequency domain of a periodic signal is discrete ?

2-what does it mean when we transfer a signal into the frequency domain
(say a rect wave what does it mean that the representation of it in the frequency domain is sinc, I know that it represents the different frequencies in the signal but why does it decay ?).

3-When plotting the signal in the freq. domain and the x-axis is the freq. in Hz what does the y-axis represent ?

thanks...
 
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abdo375 said:
I have a couple of questions regarding the representation of a signal in the frequency domain I wish someone could help me with..
1-why is it when we represent a non-periodic signal in the frequency domain it is continuous while the frequency domain of a periodic signal is discrete ?
2-what does it mean when we transfer a signal into the frequency domain
(say a rect wave what does it mean that the representation of it in the frequency domain is sinc, I know that it represents the different frequencies in the signal but why does it decay ?).
3-When plotting the signal in the freq. domain and the x-axis is the freq. in Hz what does the y-axis represent ?
thanks...
1) That's not true. There is a separate discrete and continuous time representation for periodic signals and aperiodic signals. You can use the Fourier series for periodic signals and the Fourier Transform for aperiodic signals.

2) You answered your own question in your third question. The X axis represents frequency - the values closer to the origin are higher frequencies, as you go further out along the X axis you get lower frequencies. The frequency domain shows the magnitude of different frequency components. It does not always decay.

3) The Y axis represents amplitude.
 
Maxwell said:
2) You answered your own question in your third question. The X axis represents frequency - the values closer to the origin are higher frequencies, as you go further out along the X axis you get lower frequencies. The frequency domain shows the magnitude of different frequency components. It does not always decay.
I may be misunderstanding Maxwell's reply on this point, but the frequency domain plots that I'm used to working with have the origin = DC (0 Hz), and the higher positive frequencies out at higher x-axis (actually f-axis) values. That's the way a SPICE plot or a spectrum analyzer displays the frequency domain data.
 
berkeman said:
I may be misunderstanding Maxwell's reply on this point, but the frequency domain plots that I'm used to working with have the origin = DC (0 Hz), and the higher positive frequencies out at higher x-axis (actually f-axis) values. That's the way a SPICE plot or a spectrum analyzer displays the frequency domain data.
Nope, I wrote it wrong. You're right - DC at 0 and the frequency increases as you go higher up. Doesn't make sense the other way around and I'm not sure why I wrote it like that. :confused:
 
Maxwell said:
1) That's not true. There is a separate discrete and continuous time representation for periodic signals and aperiodic signals. You can use the Fourier series for periodic signals and the Fourier Transform for aperiodic signals.
2) You answered your own question in your third question. The X axis represents frequency - the values closer to the origin are higher frequencies, as you go further out along the X axis you get lower frequencies. The frequency domain shows the magnitude of different frequency components. It does not always decay.
3) The Y axis represents amplitude.


1-I think i miss-explained my point, what i meant was if we get a periodic and non-periodic rect signal in the time domain and get the Fourier transform of it then graph it, we will get a continues sinc for the non-periodic function while we'll get a discrete sinc for the periodic one, what i was asking about was the physical interpolation of this.

3-The amplitude of what? does the frequency have amplitude?

Does anyone know a good Signal & systems book? my textbook only focuses on the math of the subject rather than the concept.

thanks
 
abdo375 said:
3-The amplitude of what?
Recall what the original (time-domain) waveform represents : displacement from the equilibrium position vs. time.

The frequency domain (or spectral) plot represents the standard deviation (amplitude) or variance (power) from the equilibrium position vs. frequency.
 

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