Radially infalling object - when to use + or - sqrt?

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The discussion centers on the calculation of momentum for an object falling radially towards a non-rotating black hole, specifically addressing the correct use of the square root in the velocity equation. The velocity is defined as dr/dt = (-c) sqrt(Rs/r)(1-Rs/r), where Rs is the Schwarzschild radius. The momentum is derived as p = -m c sqrt(Rs/r), emphasizing that the negative root is appropriate due to the object's inward motion. The analysis concludes that while calculations can yield both positive and negative results, the direction of momentum must be clearly defined as a vector quantity.

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Homework Statement


An object falls radially towards a non rotating black hole from infinity (i.e. the velocity is the same as the escape velocity except negative). The black hole has a Schwarzschild radius of Rs = 2GM/c2 where G is the gravitational constant, M is the black hole's mass and c is the speed of light in free space. The object has mas m and velocity v = dr/dt where r is distance from the centre of the black hole and t is time.

When I calculate the momentum, I can get either a positive or negative result, depending on how I do it, since a square root is involved. I know it should be negative so in this case and in general,how can I be sure I have the right root?

Homework Equations


According to a website I looked up, the velocity should be:

dr/dt = (+/-) sqrt(M/r)(1-Rs/r)

However i believe that M=1 & c=1 in their cauculations. Adding them back in gives:

dr/dt = (+/-) sqrt(2GM/rc2)(1-Rs/r) = Rs/r

Since radius decreases as time increases, the negative root is the correct one:

dr/dt = -c sqrt(Rs/r)(1-Rs/r)

I calculated that the momentum (not 4-momentum) in this situation should be:

p = m v sqrt(1 - Rs/r - v2/(c2(1-Rs/r))

The Attempt at a Solution


When I plug in the velocity into the momentum equation, I get:
p = -mc sqrt(Rs/r)(1-Rs/r) / (sqrt(1 - Rs/r - c2(Rs/r)(1 - Rs/r)2/(c2(1-Rs/r)))

This reduces to:

p = -m c sqrt(Rs/r)(1-Rs/r) / sqrt((1 - Rs/r)(1 - Rs/r))

This reduces to p = -m c sqrt(Rs/r)

However, if I change the second last equation to be:

p = m c sqrt(Rs/r)(Rs/r-1) / sqrt((Rs/r-1)(Rs/r-1))

This reduces to p = m c sqrt(Rs/r)

So depending on how I do my calculations, I can get the answer or the negative of the answer, even when I start out with the correct root.
 
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Since momentum is a vector, you would just need to specify its magnitude |dr/dt| and its direction. If I have a vector like <2, - 3>, it doesn't really make sense saying whether its positive or negative.
 
I'll assume the rest of your work is correct. You just need to recognize that ##\sqrt{x^2} = \lvert x \rvert##, so If ##r>R_s##, then ##\sqrt{\left(1-\frac{R_s}{r}\right)^2} = \sqrt{\left(\frac{R_s}{r}-1\right)^2} = 1-\frac{R_s}{r} > 0##.
 

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