Rank of a Matrix and Solving Linear Equations with Vectors

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The discussion focuses on finding the rank of a given matrix A and solving a linear equation involving vectors. The initial attempt at determining the rank through row-reduced echelon form (RREF) led to confusion, with participants debating whether the rank is 4 or 3. It was clarified that the rank is actually 3, which impacts the nullity and the form of the solution to the equation. Participants discussed the need to express solutions in the form x_0 + λe, emphasizing the importance of understanding how to derive these vectors from the rank and nullity. The conversation highlights the necessity of proper row reduction techniques and the implications of matrix rank on solution sets.
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Find the rank of the matrix A,where
A= \left(<br /> \begin{array}{cccc}<br /> 1 &amp; 1 &amp; 2 &amp; 3\\<br /> 4 &amp; 3 &amp; 5 &amp; 16\\<br /> 6 &amp; 6 &amp; 13 &amp; 13\\<br /> 14 &amp; 12 &amp; 23 &amp; 45 <br /> \end{array}<br /> \right)<br />

Find vectorsx_0ande such that any solution of the equation

Ax= \left(<br /> \begin{array}{c}<br /> 0\\<br /> 2\\<br /> -1\\<br /> 3 <br /> \end{array}<br /> \right)<br /> (*)
can be expressed in the form x_0+\lambdae where \lambda\epsilonR

Hence show that there is no vector which satisfies * and has all its elements positive




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First attempt at such a question, so unknown are any relevant equations

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Well for the first part to get the rank I put A in RRE form and then counted the number of non-zero rows and got for so r(A)=4

now for the second part,I thought to solve the equation by multiplying by A^{-1} and finding x but then I realized that I have no idea where to get x_0 or \lambda or e

can anyone show me how to do these types of questions or can show me some similar example?
 
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rock.freak667 said:
Well for the first part to get the rank I put A in RRE form and then counted the number of non-zero rows and got for so r(A)=4
Well, you made a mistake somewhere in here.

You might have guessed that -- if you can write any solution in the form the problem asks for, what does the rank of the matrix have to be?

(Hint: what does the nullity of the matrix have to be?)
 
Did I do the row-reduction wrong?
well from wikipedia...rank(A)+Nullity(A)=n well n=4 in this case

BTW...This is the first time I have heard of nullity
 
rock.freak667 said:
Did I do the row-reduction wrong?
I believe so. The statement of the problem implies the rank is not 4. (In fact, it implies a specific number for the rank) I tried once to do the row reduction myself, and I got the number I expected.
 
Well I believe I did it over correctly and got r(A)=3
 
yes, you seems to be correct, if this is what you were trying to get:
\pmatrix{1 &amp; 1 &amp; 2 &amp; 3\cr 0 &amp; 1 &amp; 3 &amp; -4\cr 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 1 &amp; -5\cr 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0}

use maxima!

http://aycu21.webshots.com/image/27020/2000682090404007350_rs.jpg
 
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But how do I use the fact that r(A)=3 and the nullity to find the vectors in that form?
 
Well, how do you normally solve systems of equations? Have you tried that?
 
Well normally for that matrix I would just augment it and try to put it in RRE form but then i don't know where x_0 and e and \lambda comes in
 
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Well, try solving it first, then think about it.

By the way, you can edit your original post to fix that one formula; you're supposed to put spaces between things. And it looks a lot nicer if you use [ itex ] instead of [ tex ] for stuff in paragraphs.
 

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