RC-Blimp propulsion system on larger a larger scale

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of constructing a single-person aircraft that utilizes a propulsion system similar to that of an RC-blimp, specifically focusing on the potential for a ducted fan system to provide both lift and directional control. The scope includes theoretical considerations of aircraft design, propulsion mechanics, and comparisons to existing technologies like the Martin Jet Pack.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using a ducted fan system for a larger aircraft, questioning the necessary motor specifications (hp/torque/displacement) to lift both the aircraft and pilot.
  • Another participant clarifies that in lighter-than-air craft, ducted fans are primarily for propulsion and maneuvering, with buoyancy from a gas-filled envelope providing lift.
  • A participant expresses interest in creating a dynamic system that can both lift and direct, referencing the Martin Jet Pack as a comparison, but noting its fixed ducted fans.
  • There is a challenge to the characterization of the Martin Jet Pack as static, with a focus on the mobility it offers despite the fixed position of its ducted fans.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the distinction between the jet pack's design and the proposed concept of movable ducts with motors under each propeller.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of ducted fans in lift versus propulsion, and there is no consensus on whether a dynamic system with movable ducts is feasible. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the practicality of the proposed design.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully explored the assumptions regarding the mechanics of lift and propulsion in their proposed designs, and there are unresolved questions about the specifications needed for the motors.

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Hi everyone, and thanks for reading my very first post in Physics Forums! I have been researching a way to construct a single person aircraft with vertical take-off and landing using a propulsion system similar to that of an RC-blimp. I found a video on youtube that illustrates the principle of how I would like the system to work, but on a much larger scale. Please view the following video before reading on:



As you can see in the video, it is a "ducted fan" system with a motor underneath each prop. My question is, how large (hp/torque/displacement) of a motor and what type would I need to fit under a prop that would be able to lift not only the relatively small (<=300lb) aircraft body/frame, but also the pilot (<=250lb)?

I look forward to hearing your input!
 
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In lighter than air craft such as blimps, the ducted fans do not provide the lift for the craft. They are used for propulsion and maneuvering. The envelope of the blimp contains a gas (usually helium) which is lighter than air. The principle of buoyancy is what enables the craft to stay aloft.
 
I am aware that a blimp uses those ducted fans simply for directing is travel through the air. I am trying to see if it is possible to create a system that can both lift and direct. The Martin Jet Pack as seen in the link below uses ducted fans for lift, but the system is static. My ultimate question I guess is can this be done where the system is dynamic?

http://martinjetpack.com/technical-information.aspx
 
Priesthood said:
I am aware that a blimp uses those ducted fans simply for directing is travel through the air. I am trying to see if it is possible to create a system that can both lift and direct. The Martin Jet Pack as seen in the link below uses ducted fans for lift, but the system is static. My ultimate question I guess is can this be done where the system is dynamic?

http://martinjetpack.com/technical-information.aspx

Why do you call that jetpack static? It would appear to have the mobility that you are looking for.

And "jetpack" is a bit of a misnomer anyway, isn't it? It's powered by a V-4 engine, not jet combustion...
 
When I say static, I mean that the ducted fans ON the jet pack are in a fixed position unlike the blimps ducted fans that rotate. Yes, the jet pack does have the ability to move around in the same manner I am looking for, but I am also not trying to copy their design. That's why I posted on this forum to see if this alternate concept with movable ducts with motors underneath each prop was even possible.
 

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