Real Analysis: Finding the Limit of a Riemann Sum

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The problem involves finding the limit of a Riemann sum as n approaches infinity, specifically the sum \(\sum_{k=1}^n \frac{k^3}{n^4}\). The context is within real analysis, focusing on the concept of Riemann sums and their relation to integrals.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the possibility of expressing the sum as a Riemann sum and explore the relationship between the sum and integrals. There are attempts to identify patterns in partial sums and to clarify the choice of points within the intervals.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the problem, with some participants suggesting that the sum can be interpreted as a Riemann sum for the function \(f(x) = x^3\). Others are questioning the setup and the implications of the limit, while some guidance has been provided regarding the use of known formulas for sums of cubes.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of understanding the relationship between the sum and its limit, as well as the need to clarify the definitions of the variables involved in the Riemann sum.

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Homework Statement


Find the limit, as n -> infinity, of \sum_{k=1}^nk3/n4

Homework Equations


Riemann sum: S(f, \pi, \sigma) = \sum_{k=1}^nf(\xi)(xk - xk-1)

The Attempt at a Solution


My guess is that I should try to put this sum in terms of a Riemann sum, and then taking n -> infinity will give an integral of something. I'm just not sure what it is. Any hints? Thanks!
 
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I don't think you'll be successful with a Riemann sum.

I tried a few approaches, and then started to look at the sequence of partial sums, S_n, where S_n = 1^3/n^4 + 2^3/n^4 + ... + n^3/n^4
= 1/n^4 * (1^3 + 2^3 + ... + n^3)

I started adding up the terms in the sum on the right and found that:
1^3 + 2^3 = 9
1^3 + 2^3 + 3^3 = 36
1^3 + 2^3 + 3^3 + 4^3 = 100
1^3 + 2^3 + 3^3 + 4^3 + 5^3 = 225

There seemed to be a pattern here: each of the rightmost numbers is a perfect square, and further, each perfect square was directly related to the numbers being cubed on the left side of the equals sign.

In other words,

1^3 + 2^3 = 9 = 3^2
1^3 + 2^3 + 3^3 = 36 = 6^2
1^3 + 2^3 + 3^3 + 4^3 = 100 = 10^2
1^3 + 2^3 + 3^3 + 4^3 + 5^3 = 225 = 15^2

In the first bunch, you have 1 + 2 = 3
In the second, you have 1 + 2 + 3 = 6
In the third, you have 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 = 10
In the fourth, you have 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 = 15

I don't know if this is enough of a hint to get you all the way through this problem, but maybe it is. You'll still need to do some more work to find out whether S_n has a limit.
 
It's pretty likely to be a Riemann sum for f(x)=x^3. Don't you agree? Try it and see if it works. It does.
 
Dick said:
It's pretty likely to be a Riemann sum for f(x)=x^3. Don't you agree? Try it and see if it works. It does.

As usual, I'm just not seeing it. :redface: I guess the k^3 should be a dead giveaway, but I'm not sure what to do about the n^4. Is the limit = \intx^3 from a to b?

By using the definition of a Riemann sum, I get: \sum_{k=1}^n \xi3(xk-xk-1). But what are the xks?
 
Divide the interval [0,1] into n equal parts. The x_k's are the boundaries of the subintervals {1/n,2/n,3/n,...n/n}. Which point in each interval would be a good choice for 'xi'??
 
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Ok, so if I choose \xi = k/n = xk, then I get

\sum(k/n)3(k/n - (k-1)/n) = \sum(k3/n3)(1/n) = \sumk3/n4.

So the limit of this sum is \int_{0}^1x^3 ?
 
steelphantom said:
Ok, so if I choose \xi = k/n = xk, then I get

\sum(k/n)3(k/n - (k-1)/n) = \sum(k3/n3)(1/n) = \sumk3/n4.

So the limit of this sum is \int_{0}^1x^3 ?

Exactly.
 
Cool. Thanks!
 
Ok, I have another Riemann sum, but this time, it actually says what the integral evaluates to. The question is the following:

Show that the limit as n -> infinity \sum_{k=1}^nn/(n2+k2) = pi/4.

So I'm thinking that f(x) = sqrt(1-x2) on [0, 1]. But I'm having a hard time figuring out what to choose for \xi and xk so that the sums match up. I wouldn't just say that xk = k/n again, would I? It doesn't seem like that would work.
 
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steelphantom said:

Homework Statement


Find the limit, as n -> infinity, of \sum_{k=1}^nk3/n4

Homework Equations


Riemann sum: S(f, \pi, \sigma) = \sum_{k=1}^nf(\xi)(xk - xk-1)

The Attempt at a Solution


My guess is that I should try to put this sum in terms of a Riemann sum, and then taking n -> infinity will give an integral of something. I'm just not sure what it is. Any hints? Thanks!

There is a closed-form expression that will help with this.
<br /> \sum_{k=1}^n k^3<br />

can be written as a 4th degree polynomial in n: that will make your limit as n \to \infty easier to evaluate
 
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statdad said:
There is a closed-form expression that will help with this.
<br /> \sum_{k=1}^n k^3<br />

can be written as a 4th degree polynomial in n: that will make your limit as n \to \infty easier to evaluate

Thanks statdad, but I've already figured that one out with Dick's help. See the post right before yours for the one I'm now having trouble with.
 
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steelphantom said:
Ok, I have another Riemann sum, but this time, it actually says what the integral evaluates to. The question is the following:

Show that the limit as n -> infinity \sum_{k=1}^nn/(n2+k2) = pi/4.

So I'm thinking that f(x) = sqrt(1-x2) on [0, 1]. But I'm having a hard time figuring out what to choose for \xi and xk so that the sums match up. I wouldn't just say that xk = k/n again, would I? It doesn't seem like that would work.

Since you got the last one, you know there should be a (1/n) for the interval length and the rest should be the f(k/n) part. So write it as (1/n)*(n^2/(n^2+k^2)). Do you see it yet? Can you write n^2/(n^2+k^2) as a function of k/n?
 
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Dick said:
Since you got the last one, you know there should be a (1/n) for the interval length and the rest should be the f(k/n) part. So write it as (1/n)*(n^2/(n^2+k^2)). Do you see it yet? Can you write n^2/(n^2+k^2) as a function of k/n?

Got it. Thanks!
 

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