Recombination of ion pairs in an ionization chamber

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of fill gas in an ionization chamber following the creation of ion pairs by incident radiation. Participants explore the processes of ion pair movement, recombination, and the implications for the detection of radiation.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether ion pairs are removed from the fill gas after moving to the electrodes and what happens to the positive ion after it reaches the electrode.
  • Another participant asserts that the ion recombines with an electron at the electrode, returning to an uncharged state, and notes that for noble gases, this process restores the original atom.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the specifics of recombination for argon ions, particularly whether recombination occurs at the surface of the electrode and if it involves the same electron that caused the ionization.
  • It is confirmed that recombination occurs at the surface of the electrode, and a later reply states that electrons are indistinguishable, implying that the recombining electron is not necessarily the same as the one that caused ionization.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the process of recombination at the electrode surface but have differing views on the specifics of electron involvement and the implications for the fill gas over time.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the exact nature of electron involvement in the recombination process and the long-term effects on the fill gas within the ionization chamber.

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What happens to the fill gas in an ionization chamber?

Once incident radiation has created an ion pair, which has then moved to its opposite polarity electrode, is that ion pair removed from the fill gas? So if enough incident radiation is detected over a period of time all the gas would be ionized and a vacuum left in its place?

What then happens to the positive ion? Is it consumed in the same circuit the electron is? (The circuit that produces a representation of the incident radiation for the operator)

If this isn't the case, when does the ion pair recombine whilst still giving an indication to the ionization chamber operator that radiation has been detected?
 
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Atoms don't magically disappear. The ion reaches the electrode, picks up an electron (this is part of the signal - you get electrons at one side and the other side needs additional electrons) and becomes an uncharged atom as part of the gas again.
For noble gases, this is identical to the original state of the atom. For other gases, it means you break up molecules of an extremely tiny fraction of the gas. This does not matter - due to leakages, you need some constant gas flow through the detector anyway.
 
Thanks mfb,

So for an example using argon; once ionized the Ar+ moves to the negative electrode, is it at the surface of the electrode or 'inside' the electrode that it then recombines with an electron? Is it the same electron that is produced when the Ar is ionized, which it recombines with?
 
It happens at the surface.
bhope691 said:
Is it the same electron that is produced when the Ar is ionized, which it recombines with?
Electrons are indistinguishable. And even if they would be distinguishable (to make an answer possible): No.
 

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