Regarding heat property of electromagnetic waves

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The discussion revolves around the heat properties of electromagnetic radiation, particularly focusing on whether visible light can raise the temperature of materials and the differences in heating effects between various sources of light, such as sunlight and flashlights. Participants explore concepts related to energy transfer, absorption spectra, and the nature of heat in relation to electromagnetic radiation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether visible light can heat materials, referencing definitions of heat and energy transfer.
  • One participant asserts that visible light does carry energy and can raise temperature, citing personal experience of warmth from sunlight.
  • Another participant suggests that the infrared (IR) radiation from the sun is primarily responsible for heating, contrasting it with the limited heating effect of a flashlight.
  • There are inquiries about the molecular absorption spectra of skin and the mechanisms behind energy absorption, including rotational and translational modes.
  • One participant clarifies that while electromagnetic radiation can transport heat energy, it is not accurate to equate EM radiation directly with heat energy.
  • Another participant notes that standard filament lamps emit a higher fraction of their radiation in the IR compared to the sun, indicating differences in heating effects based on emission spectra.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between electromagnetic radiation and heat. While some agree that visible light can contribute to heating, others emphasize the distinction between EM radiation and heat energy, leading to unresolved debates on the topic.

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Participants acknowledge that the discussion involves complex concepts such as energy transfer, absorption mechanisms, and the varying effects of different light sources, which may not be fully resolved within the thread.

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I am confused regarding the heat properties of electromagnetic radiation. Wiki states "Any electromagnetic radiation can heat a material when it is absorbed.". Does this imply radiation with wavelengths in the visible light region can also heat a material, that is, increase its temperature? From wiki again: "heat is the process of energy transfer from one body or system due to thermal contact, which in turn is defined as an energy transfer to a body in any ". As light is energy, this should imply that light is heat?

If that is the case, why does purely visible light without any additional radiation not raise the temperature of the object it shines on? Or does it, so small that it isn't noticable without measuring instruments?
 
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srvs said:
I am confused regarding the heat properties of electromagnetic radiation. Wiki states "Any electromagnetic radiation can heat a material when it is absorbed.". Does this imply radiation with wavelengths in the visible light region can also heat a material, that is, increase its temperature? From wiki again: "heat is the process of energy transfer from one body or system due to thermal contact, which in turn is defined as an energy transfer to a body in any ". As light is energy, this should imply that light is heat?

If that is the case, why does purely visible light without any additional radiation not raise the temperature of the object it shines on? Or does it, so small that it isn't noticable without measuring instruments?

Energy is energy. Visible light DOES raise carry energy. Have you never stood outside in the sunlight? It is detectible by your brain, without instruments. Sun shines on your body, you get warm. In a sense the statement that light=heat is true. Both are forms of pure energy.
 
I figured that since the sun emits a large portion in the IR region that it was the IR that caused the heating, since something that emits just light like say, a flashlight, doesn't have the same effect like standing outside. Not even a really big flashlight. Guess it's just a difference in magnitude then. Thank you.
 
As far as the molecular absorbion spectra of your skin I don't know. Can someone else speak to this, and is the absorption caused by the energy levels of molecular rotational modes or random translational motion both or something else? Also I'm guessing that a flashlight emits a fair amount of its radiation in the infrared range, its going to emit approximately as a blackbody.
 
It's a misnomer to say that infrared radiation (or any EM radiation) is the same as heat. Heat energy as due to the random motion of a collection of molecules, atoms, or other collection of masses.

Objects which possesses heat energy (i.e. anything with a temperature above 0 K, i.e. anything period) convert some of the heat into electromagnetic radiation. The radiation may then be absorbed by another object and converted to heat energy in the second object ... so EM radiation is a form of transport for heat energy. But that's different than saying it is heat energy.

srvs said:
I figured that since the sun emits a large portion in the IR region that it was the IR that caused the heating, since something that emits just light like say, a flashlight, doesn't have the same effect like standing outside. Not even a really big flashlight. Guess it's just a difference in magnitude then. Thank you.
Exactly.

Phyisab**** said:
As far as the molecular absorbion spectra of your skin I don't know. Can someone else speak to this, and is the absorption caused by the energy levels of molecular rotational modes or random translational motion both or something else? Also I'm guessing that a flashlight emits a fair amount of its radiation in the infrared range, its going to emit approximately as a blackbody.
Yes. Any standard filament lamp emits a higher fraction of it's radiation in the IR than does the sun, with a peak emission wavelength of about 1.0 μm. Compare that to the sun's peak emission at around 500-550 nm.
 
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