Related rates volume pouring in and out question

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Water is being poured into a conical cistern at a rate of 10 ft³/min while simultaneously leaking. When the water level reaches 12 ft and rises at 1/3 ft/min, the net volume change needs to be calculated. The correct formula for the volume of water in the cone is derived, leading to the conclusion that the outflow rate is Vout = 10 - 9π. The final calculation indicates that water is leaking out at a rate of approximately 18.26 ft³/min when the water is 12 ft deep, confirming the need for careful differentiation in related rates problems. Accurate calculations are crucial to avoid misinterpretations of inflow and outflow rates.
r3dxP
At a rate of 10ft^3/min, water is pouring into a conical cistern that is 16ft deep and 8ft in diameter at the top. But the cistern has developed a small leak. At the same time the water is 12ft deep, the water level is observed to be rising at 1/3 ft/min. How fast is the water leaking out?

i got .. Vout = 1.46ft^3/min
is this answer correct? if not, what is the correct answer and why?
 
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r3dxP said:
i got .. Vout = 1.46ft^3/min
is this answer correct? if not, what is the correct answer and why?
That is wrong, how did you arrive at that?

vnet=vin-vout
vi=10
the height of water at time t can be
h(t)
the radius of the water cone can be expressed in terms of height
r(h(t))
you know
r(0)=0
r(16)=4
and
r(t)=a+b*h(t) for real numbers a and b
(it is a linear function)
V(t)=pi*r(h(t))^2*h(t)/3
you know for some time t
h(t)=12
h'(t)=1/3
find
V'(t)
use h(t) and h'(t) to write V(t) as a number then
vout=vin-V'(t)
 
lurflurf said:
That is wrong, how did you arrive at that?

vnet=vin-vout
vi=10
the height of water at time t can be
h(t)
the radius of the water cone can be expressed in terms of height
r(h(t))
you know
r(0)=0
r(16)=4
and
r(t)=a+b*h(t) for real numbers a and b
(it is a linear function)
V(t)=pi*r(h(t))^2*h(t)/3
you know for some time t
h(t)=12
h'(t)=1/3
find
V'(t)
use h(t) and h'(t) to write V(t) as a number then
vout=vin-V'(t)

oh thanks alot.
so as for the answer, i got Vout = 10-9*pi = 10-9*3.14 = -18.26
so conclusion : water is pouring out at a rate of 18.26 ft^3/s when water is 12ft deep.
is that correct?
 
r3dxP said:
oh thanks alot.
so as for the answer, i got Vout = 10-9*pi = 10-9*3.14 = -18.26
so conclusion : water is pouring out at a rate of 18.26 ft^3/s when water is 12ft deep.
is that correct?
That should be 10-3*pi
a negative vout would imply water is coming in
 
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