Relating the entropy of an ideal gas with partial derivatives

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The discussion revolves around relating the entropy of an ideal gas to its partial derivatives, exploring concepts in thermodynamics and statistical mechanics.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster expresses uncertainty in connecting partial derivatives to entropy and particle number. Some participants reference Euler's homogeneous theorem and suggest rewriting terms to facilitate understanding. Others recall relevant thermodynamic identities and relationships.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering insights and recalling related concepts. There is a collaborative effort to clarify the relationships between the variables involved, though no consensus has been reached on a specific approach or solution.

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There appears to be a focus on the extensible properties of the system and the implications of various thermodynamic equations, with some participants questioning the assumptions underlying these relationships.

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For an ideal gas, use ##dE=TdS-PdV+\mu dN## to prove
1. ##V(\frac{\partial P}{\partial T})_{\mu} = S##
2. ##V(\frac{\partial P}{\partial \mu})_T = N##
Relevant Equations
##dE=TdS-PdV+\mu dN##
It looks very easy at first glance. However, the variable S is a variable in the given expression. I have no clue to relate the partial derivatives to entropy and the number of particles.
 
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Using the extensible properties of the system as variables, we know that ##E (x \lambda) = \lambda E(X)## (Homogeneous function of degree a=1), so that we can say

##x * \nabla f = a f## (Euler's homogeneous theorem), where ##x = (x_{1},x_{2},...,x_{n})## is the vector with the variables.

So that
$$S( \partial E/ \partial S ) + V ( \partial E/ \partial V)+ N (\partial E/ \partial N )= a * E$$
$$ ST - PV + N \mu = E$$

The rest i think you can go on, eventually you will get the Gibbs Duhem equation
 
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Just to add to what @LCSphysicist wrote, first try to re-write each term on the RHS according to ##x\mathrm{d}y = \mathrm{d}(xy) - y\mathrm{d}x##.
 
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Thanks! This makes me recall the fact that ##G=\mu N## and ##G=U-TS+\mu N##
 
Mayan Fung said:
Thanks! This makes me recall the fact that ##G=\mu N## and ##G=U-TS+\mu N##
Careful, it's ##G := U -TS + pV = \mu N##
 

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