Relationship between Electron Momentum and Fermi Momentum

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between electron momentum and Fermi momentum, particularly in the context of quantum mechanics and the behavior of electrons in a fermionic system at absolute zero and finite temperatures. Participants explore concepts related to momentum quantization, the nature of occupied states, and the implications for heat capacity and conductivity.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that at absolute zero, the Fermi momentum represents the highest momentum of electrons in a system, with all other electrons having momentum less than or equal to this value.
  • Others argue that the smallest momentum is determined by the size of the system, with quantized momentum values based on system dimensions.
  • A participant questions how electrons can have momentum within occupied states and seeks an intuitive understanding of this concept.
  • Some responses suggest that electrons deep within the Fermi surface are effectively "frozen" and do not contribute to heat capacity or conductivity, as they have limited ability to be excited to higher energy states.
  • There is mention of the Fermi-Dirac distribution in relation to thermal excitation of electrons near the Fermi surface as temperature increases.
  • Participants discuss the transition from treating electrons as a Fermi gas to incorporating lattice interactions and electron-electron interactions, leading to a more complex understanding of band structure and material properties.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of Fermi momentum and the behavior of electrons in occupied states. There is no clear consensus on the nature of electron movement within these states or the broader implications for thermal and electrical properties.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on system size for momentum quantization, the unresolved nature of how electrons behave within occupied states, and the complexity of interactions that influence the overall understanding of electron dynamics.

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How can an electron's momentum be less than the Fermi momentum? Since the Fermi momentum (energy) is measured at absolute zero.
 
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Hi ian2012,

Let's think about an ideal gas of fermions. At zero temperature the Fermi momentum can be defined as the momentum of the highest occupied state. Thus by definition all electrons in the system have momentum less than or equal to the Fermi momentum. The Fermi momentum is just telling you where the electrons have filled up to. Does this make sense?
 
That makes perfect sense. But what is the nature of the lower momentum, it is QM isn't it. How would electrons have momentum (move) within occupied states? What would it look like intuitively?
 
The smallest momentum is set by the size of the system. Think back to the particle in a box problem or the particle on a ring problem. The allowed values of momentum are basically quantized in units of one over linear system size. For a big system system there is a large separation in scale between this smallest momentum (set by the system size) and the Fermi momentum (set by the particle density).

However, I think your question may be slightly different. There is a sense in which the electrons deep within the Fermi surface are frozen, meaning they don't contribute to heat capacity, for example. Similarly, you may have encountered the statement that filled bands don't contribute to conductivity, and in some sense this is because the electrons have "no where to go".
 
ian2012 said:
How can an electron's momentum be less than the Fermi momentum? Since the Fermi momentum (energy) is measured at absolute zero.
At absolute zero the fermi momentum is the highest momentum an electron can have in the system. Most electrons sit below this energy. As you increase the temperature you are able to thermally excite electrons close to the fermi surface to energies above Pf and Ef. The probability of this exciatation is given by the fermi-dirac distribution.

ian2012 said:
How would electrons have momentum (move) within occupied states? What would it look like intuitively?
Who said they didn't move? A bound state does not mean that you glued the electron to the side of an ion. The point is that most electrons sit deep within the fermi sea and therefore it is nearly impossible for them to be excited to even the lowest unoccupied state. Thus they do not contribute to heat capacity, etc.

ian2012 said:
it is QM isn't it.
Yes, the story goes something like this.

Fermi Gas: Treat electrons as just a bunch of particles in a box and solve with QM. The Pauli exclussion principle ball parks correctly a lot of quantities because only electrons near the fermi surface are important, but you don't get any band structure, everything is a metal.

Next approximation is to include interactions with the lattice. Add a repeating potential, (delta fn, step, whatever). Solve with QM and your band structure pops out. Now you have metals, insulators, etc.

Next approximation is to include electron electron interactions, Fermi Liquid: Use the Fermi Gas Hamiltonian as the unperturbed Hamiltonian and treat electron electron interactions with perturbation theory.
This is just a rough sketch, there is plenty left unsaid here.

BANG!
 
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