Relationship between interference and arm length in MZI

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between arm length differences in a Mach-Zehnder interferometer (MZI) and the resulting interference patterns. Participants explore how variations in arm lengths affect light intensity at the outputs, the role of coherence length, and the implications for interference visibility.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the expected outcomes of equal arm lengths leading to destructive and constructive interference, questioning how arm length differences affect the interference pattern.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of coherence length, suggesting it is crucial for understanding the interference effects in the MZI.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between coherence length and spectral line width, with a formula provided for coherence length in terms of wavelength and line width.
  • One participant notes the effect of blocking one beam, leading to a 50-50 energy split, contrasting it with the selective energy channeling observed when both beams are present.
  • Another participant reflects on the historical presentation of interferometry in textbooks, expressing that the understanding of interference from beams incident on a single interface was not adequately covered in their education.
  • There is mention of the potential for using coherence length as a method for measuring narrow spectral line widths, suggesting it may be more effective than traditional diffraction grating spectrometers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express agreement on the importance of coherence length in understanding interference, but there is no consensus on the specific conditions under which interference patterns disappear or the exact implications of arm length differences.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the coherence length is dependent on the spectral line width, which may not be straightforward to estimate. Additionally, there is a recognition that traditional optics textbooks may lack comprehensive explanations of certain interference principles.

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This discussion may be useful for students and professionals interested in optics, interferometry, and the underlying principles of light behavior in interferometers.

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A question about the Mach-Zehnder interferometer.

My understanding is: If its two arms are equally long, there is destructive interference in one output and constructive interference in the other output. So, the intensity of light detected at the first output should be 0% and at the second output 100% of the light that entered the interferometer. If one arm is longer, there is a phase shift proportional to the wavelength of the light and to the difference between the length of the first arm and the length of the second arm. The intensity of light detected at one of the outputs is proportional to 1+cos of this phase shift, while the intensity of light at the other output is proportional to 1-cos of the phase shift. For example, it can be 90% vs. 10%.

But this relationship cannot be true for any arbitrary difference in arm lengths, or can it? How much longer should one of the arms be for the interference pattern to totally disappear and be replaced with two gaussian blurs at the outputs, with an equal split of the original light intensity? Is there a formula for it? I haven’t found anything in my optics books.
 
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The answer involves the coherence length of the source. A student recently posted something quite similar involving a Michelson interferomter: https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...michelson-interferometer.933638/#post-5902650 ## \\ ## You might also find an Insights article on interferometry of interest that I authored about a year ago: https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/fabry-perot-michelson-interferometry-fundamental-approach/ These interferometers all work with the same principles, as the article explains. Hopefully this is helpful. (And note: The concept of the interference resulting from two (coherent) beams, coming from opposite directions, incident on a single interface, is often not spelled out in the optics textbooks, but is very important in explaining the workings of the interferometer, as described in the Insights article). ## \\ ## Editing: One additional item: The line width ## \Delta \lambda ## is related to the coherence length ## L_c ##: ## L_c=\frac{\lambda^2}{\Delta \lambda} ##. This is because ## \lambda=c/f ##, so that ##| \Delta \lambda|=(c/f^2) |\Delta f| ##. Meanwhile, coherence time ## t_c=1/(\Delta f) ##, and coherence length ## L_c=c \, t_c ##. You can check my algebra, but I think I got it right.
 
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Thank you, Charles! Coherence length is exactly what I was looking for. I just wish Δλ were easier to estimate.
 
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boxfullofvacuumtubes said:
Thank you, Charles! Coherence length is exactly what I was looking for. I just wish Δλ were easier to estimate.
Also, you might find it of interest=perhaps you know this already=if you observe what happens if you block one of the two beams of the interferometer when the beams are being recombined by the beamsplitter. You simply get a 50-50 energy split by the beamsplitter on the single beam. When you allow both beams to be incident simultaneously, instead of both beams now getting split 50-50, the energy gets selectively channeled in one direction or the other (depending on the relative phases of the beams). The Insights article describes this in detail, and the Fresnel coefficients ## \rho=\pm \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} ## and ## \tau=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} ## still apply with linear principles, but not the energy ##R=1/2 ## and ##T=1/2 ## coefficients. This is the subject of the Insights article=perhaps you already know the details, but otherwise, you might find it good reading. :) ## \\ ## (The Maxwell equations are linear in the electric field, so the electric field must obey linear principles, but the same is not true of the energy equations which are to the second power of the electric field. (Intensity ## I=nE^2##). Thereby the energy is not required to obey linear principles. Energy is conserved, but it doesn't get the 50-50 split with two beams that linear results would yield).
 
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@boxfullofvacuumtubes And a follow-on: The fundamentals of interferometry, as presented in the article https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/fabry-perot-michelson-interferometry-fundamental-approach/ , is something that was not presented in the Optics books of my generation (my college days were 1974-1980). They did teach the Fresnel coefficients, but I never saw a textbook that presented the calculation of the interference of two beams incident on a single interface from opposite directions. ## \\ ## The Fabry-Perot interference was always presented as a dielectric slab with multiple reflections, and the Michelson interferometer was presented as two separate virtual images/sources (from the reflections) that were interfering with each other. In hindsight, it is quite simple, but it wasn't until 2009, that I figured out that both the Fabry-Perot interference and Michelson type interference are a result of the interference from two beams incident on a single interface from opposite directions. Anyway, I welcome your feedback on the article. ## \\ ## Meanwhile, for spectral line widths, the coherence length that results with an interferometer is probably one of the better ways to measure a narrow spectral line width. Even a high resolution diffraction grating spectrometer is not going to be able to measure the spectral line width of most atomic transitions.
 
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