Relative Velocity - Mistake in Textbook?

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The discussion revolves around a potential mistake in a free online physics textbook regarding the definition of muzzle velocity and its calculation as relative velocity between two objects. Participants explore the distinction between velocity and speed, particularly in the context of one-dimensional motion.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant identifies what they believe to be a mistake in the textbook's definition of muzzle velocity as the sum of two objects' velocities.
  • Another participant argues that the textbook's approach is valid if the terms are interpreted as unsigned speeds rather than signed velocities, providing an example to illustrate this point.
  • A later reply acknowledges the confusion caused by the terminology used in the textbook, specifically the use of "velocity" instead of "speed" when direction is specified.
  • Participants discuss the implications of using signed versus unsigned quantities in the context of relative velocity calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the textbook's definition and the appropriate interpretation of velocity versus speed. There is no consensus on whether the textbook contains an error, as interpretations vary based on the definitions used.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the importance of precise terminology in physics, particularly the distinction between speed and velocity, and how this affects calculations of relative motion. There are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions made about the definitions of the terms used in the textbook.

HenryA.
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I am just reading through this free online textbook and it seems to me that there is a mistake on page 24.

http://www.anselm.edu/internet/physics/cbphysics/downloadsI/cbPhysicsIa18.pdf#page=23

He describes the muzzle velocity, which he defines as the relative velocity between two objects, as being the sum of the two objects. Which in this case is:

vM=vB+vC

This is not the relative velocity, this would be the relative velocity between these two objects:

vM=vB-vC

Am I missing something really simple or is this actually a mistake?
 
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You would be correct if v_B and v_C were "vectors" or (in one dimension) "signed quantities" so that with the cannon ball going to the right, v_B were positive and with the cannon rolling to the left, v_C would be negative. But here they are clearly using the speeds or "unsigned quantities", not velocities.

For example, if the cannon ball went to the right at, say, 300 m/s while the cannon rolled back at 2 m/s. then, as velocities or "signed quantities" we would say that v_B= 300 and v_C= -2 so that the "relative velocity" would be v_B- v_C= 300- (-2)= 302 m/s. But the book is using the "unsigned" speeds: v_B= 300 m/s to the right and v_C= 2 to the left so that the relative speed is v_B+ v_C= 300+ 2= 302 m/s to the right.
 
HallsofIvy said:
But here they are clearly using the speeds or "unsigned quantities", not velocities.

Yes, this would make sense. I guess their use of the word velocity threw me off.
 
HenryA. said:
I guess their use of the word velocity threw me off.
That's understandable. Reading it carefully, I noticed they make statements along the lines of "the velocity is vB to the right". Since they specify a direction, they are correct to use "velocity" rather than "speed". However, vB by itself (with no direction specified) is a speed, not a velocity.
 

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