Relativistic electron Moving through toroidal superconductor

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of a relativistic electron moving through a toroidal superconductor, particularly focusing on whether the electron emits synchrotron radiation and the implications of the magnetic fields involved. The scope includes theoretical considerations of electromagnetic interactions and radiation emission in high-speed contexts.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the electron, if rapidly accelerated away from the toroid, would emit radiation according to the synchrotron formula.
  • Others argue that the direction of the electron's travel and the orientation of the magnetic field are crucial for determining whether synchrotron radiation is emitted.
  • A participant proposes that the superconductor would produce an opposing magnetic field that could affect the electron's motion and radiation emission.
  • Some participants question the ability of the electromagnetic field of the electron to induce a current in the toroidal direction, suggesting symmetry considerations limit this effect.
  • There are differing views on whether a radial current flow in the superconductor could lead to a magnetic field that would interact with the electron's motion.
  • One participant expresses confusion over the conditions under which synchrotron radiation is emitted, emphasizing the role of acceleration by magnetic fields.
  • Another participant clarifies that any charged particle moving in a curved path or experiencing acceleration should emit electromagnetic radiation, including synchrotron radiation at high speeds.
  • Concerns are raised about the negligible electric forces induced in the superconductor and their impact on the electron's energy loss.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the emission of synchrotron radiation and the effects of the toroidal superconductor on the electron's motion. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus on the conditions under which radiation would be emitted.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the geometry of the toroidal superconductor, the nature of the magnetic fields involved, and the specifics of the electron's trajectory and speed. The discussion also highlights unresolved mathematical steps regarding the interactions between the electron and the superconductor.

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I understand the electron in the situation to be rapidly accelerated away from the torroid. If this is true, my question is:
Will the electron emmit radiation following the synchrotron formula?
Also, would the radiation travel through the torroid?
 
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Toroid.

I guess you mean a toroidal field produced by a superconducting coil?

In which direction does the electron travel? If the magnetic field has a component orthogonal to the direction of motion, it will emit synchrotron radiation, sure. For ultrarelativistic electrons, this radiation is emitted along the direction of motion.
 
I mean a toroidal superconductor with a relativistic electron traveling towards the center of the toroid. Wouldn't the superconductor produce an equal and opposite magnetic field, causing the electron to rapidly accelerate in the direction it approached from?

In the picture, the electron is traveling from the left towards the right. However, a current is induced in the superconductor that exactly mirrors the magnetic field, thus accelerating it right to left. The abrupt acceleration of the electron emits radiation along the electron's path. However, the electron has lost much of it's velocity. The radiation arrives at the right side of the page before the electron but they take the same path. This; of course, is only because the electron was traveling both perfectly perpendicular to the toroid and centrally to it's circumference.
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The electromagnetic field of the electron points in the wrong way to induce any current in toroidal direction.
 
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I'm expecting the magnetic field to be induced toroidally and the current to flow from the outer diameter to the inner diameter; inside the superconductor.. Or are you saying the superconductor would not react to the magnetic field in this situation?
 
There would be a tiny radial current flow. So what? A radial current flow, which is negligible anyway, won't lead to a magnetic field orthogonal to the electron motion. It cannot, just from symmetry.
 
If the opening was sufficiently small, and the superconductor was cylindrical; would the proposed situation be possible?
 
Emission of synchrotron radiation? I don't see why there should be synchrotron radiation.
 
Because the electron is moving at a speed close to c and experiencing a great loss of energy as it approached the superconductor. I thought synchrotron radiation was emitted when a relativistic electron is accelerated by a magnetic field, either radially or in a straight line.
 
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Samson4 said:
Because the electron is moving at a speed close to c and experiencing a great loss of energy as it approached the superconductor. I thought synchrotron radiation was emitted when a relativistic electron is accelerated by a magnetic field, either radially or in a straight line.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Particles/synchrotron.html

Radially or in a straight line? By a magnetic field?! Where did you learn the Lorentz force law from? A magnetic field cannot accelerate a charge particle "in a straight line".

It would be nice if you first check if you have the concept correct before trying to apply it to such complicated situation.

Zz.
 
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I did type that a little weird, this is what I meant to say:

Classically, any charged particle which moves in a curved path or is accelerated in a straight-line path will emit electromagnetic radiation.
...accelerated to very high speeds, the radiation is referred to as synchrotron radiation.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Particles/synchrotron.html

I don't understand why an electron moving towards a superconductor at relativistic speeds wouldn't emit radiation. It would be rapidly "decelerated" by a changing magnetic field created by the superconductor.
 
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Samson4 said:
and experiencing a great loss of energy as it approached the superconductor.
I don't see any argument why it should do so. Induced charges in the superconductor can lead to a completely negligible electric force.
 

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