Relativistic hydrodynamics: gradient expansion

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the concept of "gradient expansion" in the context of relativistic anisotropic hydrodynamics. Participants explore how this expansion relates to the energy-momentum tensor and its derivation from off-equilibrium quantum-many-body theory, particularly in relation to the Boltzmann transport equation.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the setup of the gradient expansion and its relation to the energy-momentum tensor.
  • Another participant explains that the gradient expansion involves expanding the collision term around local thermal equilibrium and requires at least a second-order gradient for the relativistic case, leading to the Israel-Stewart hydro equation.
  • References to specific papers by Denicol et al. are provided for further reading on the systematic approach to moment expansions.
  • A participant expresses interest in understanding a specific paper and mentions their current study of another paper to gain a general understanding of hydrodynamics.
  • A textbook by Paul Romatschek on the subject is recommended as a resource.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the relevance of the gradient expansion in relativistic hydrodynamics, but the discussion remains exploratory without a consensus on all technical details or methodologies.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express varying levels of familiarity with hydrodynamics, indicating that assumptions about prior knowledge may affect the discussion. Specific mathematical steps and definitions related to the gradient expansion are not fully resolved.

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This discussion may be useful for those interested in relativistic hydrodynamics, particularly students or researchers looking to understand gradient expansions and their implications in theoretical physics.

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Hi everyone,
I'm interested in relativistic anisotropic hydrodynamics and often a "gradient Expansion" is mentioned in articles, but not how this works exactly. I gathered that this is some kind of expansion of the energy-momentum tensor. Can someone explain to me how this expansion is set up, or better yet point me to some literature or articles?

Thanks a lot!
 
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The gradient expansion usually refers to the derivation of the Boltzmann transport equation from off-equilibrium quantum-many-body theory.

Now having the Boltzmann equation to get hydrodynamics you start from an expansion of the collision term around local thermal equilibrium and do another gradient expansion. For the relativistic case you must go to at least the 2nd order in gradients since Navier-Stokes is acausal in the relativistic case. In the most simple version this leads to the Israel-Stewart hydro equation. For a systematic way in terms of moment expansions, see the works by Denicol et al, e.g.,

https://arxiv.org/abs/1004.5013https://arxiv.org/abs/1202.4551https://arxiv.org/abs/1206.1554
Maybe I can give more specific references, if you tell me, which paper(s) you are referring to.
 
Good evening,

first of all, thanks for your reply and the references. Actually I need to understand this https://arxiv.org/abs/1712.03282 . Since I had virtually no exposure to hydrodynamics so far, I am trying to get a general picture about the subject, so I am working through this https://arxiv.org/abs/0902.3663 right now. For my purposes, its probably not all that necessary to know, but, I have to say, I am getting more and more intrigued by the subject. So I just wanted know.

At first sight the papers you posted seem to be exactly what I was looking for, thanks again!
 
Thanks for the tip, I'm certainly going to look into it!
 

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