Remainders by modular arithmatic

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The discussion centers around finding remainders using modular arithmetic, specifically focusing on congruences involving various numbers and moduli. The original poster presents multiple problems related to calculating remainders for given expressions.

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  • The original poster attempts to solve congruences by breaking down numbers and applying modular properties, but encounters challenges with large numbers and assumptions about calculations without a calculator. They also explore the divisibility of a number by 8 and question the application of digit sum rules.

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Some participants provide hints and suggestions for approaching the problems, particularly regarding the use of powers in modular arithmetic. The original poster expresses progress in understanding but seeks further clarification on specific points, indicating an ongoing exploration of the concepts.

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There is mention of constraints regarding the use of calculators and assumptions about the methods to be employed in solving the problems. The original poster also reflects on potential errors in their reasoning related to the divisibility question.

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find the remainders for

a) 2293\equiv x (mod 15)

b) 243101\equiv x(mod 8)

c) 52001 + (27)! \equiv x (mod 8)


a) I was able to equate 2\equiv-13(mod15) ==> 22\equiv4(mod15)

my idea here was to get 29 and then multiply by a power of 100 which would give me 900 and then work out the other 23 from there, but I've already hit a road block...I'm going to end up with a huge number just from the product of the moduluses...maybe that's what is suppose to happen, but I'm under the assumption that I'm suppose to figure these out without a calculator.

b) I was able to work it down to a congruence of 243 \equiv 3(mod 8) but if I raise that to the 101 on both sides...again I'm out of luck in terms of the 3.

help please...
 
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Try going up in larger steps by using powers. 2^2=4 mod 15. Square both sides, so 2^4=4^2=1 mod 15. You can get up to 2^8, 2^16 pretty easily by repeated squaring and taking mods. But look at 2^4=1 mod 15. That's pretty useful!
 
Thanks I actually figured it out with that hint. I had one more question, but I didn't want to start a new thread for it:

Show that their is no digit "a" such that the number 2794a1 is divisible by 8.

So I tried to apply the rule that "every natural number is congruent to the sum of its digits modulo 9"

Now I know this isn't 9, but I tried this:

2 x 105 + 7 x 104 +...+ a x 10 + 1

working out the mods of the 10's I got

10 \equiv 2(mod 8)
102\equiv 4(mod 8)
103, 104, 105 were all \equiv 0 (mod 8)

I have a feeling the other two are as well but I don't think I want to deal with negatives.

Doing this and combining the info I obtained this expression after multiplying by the modulus and following the rules:

= 4+a+1
= 5 + a (mod 8)

but obviously there are some values that will allow this to be divisble by 8, so I messed up somewhere.
 
trap101 said:
Thanks I actually figured it out with that hint. I had one more question, but I didn't want to start a new thread for it:

Show that their is no digit "a" such that the number 2794a1 is divisible by 8.

So I tried to apply the rule that "every natural number is congruent to the sum of its digits modulo 9"

Now I know this isn't 9, but I tried this:

2 x 105 + 7 x 104 +...+ a x 10 + 1

working out the mods of the 10's I got

10 \equiv 2(mod 8)
102\equiv 4(mod 8)
103, 104, 105 were all \equiv 0 (mod 8)

I have a feeling the other two are as well but I don't think I want to deal with negatives.

Doing this and combining the info I obtained this expression after multiplying by the modulus and following the rules:

= 4+a+1
= 5 + a (mod 8)

but obviously there are some values that will allow this to be divisble by 8, so I messed up somewhere.

Yeah, you messed up. You don't just want to add the digits, do you? The value mod 8 will be the value of each of the digits times the mod value of the corresponding power of 10. What equation do you really want to solve?
 

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