Representing Square Matrices with Constant and Identity Matrix - A Guide

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The discussion revolves around the representation of square matrices using the product of a constant and the identity matrix of the same order. Participants explore whether a general square matrix can be expressed in the form A = K * I, where K is a constant and I is the identity matrix.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether a square matrix can be represented as A = K * I, suggesting that this is only possible if the matrix is a scalar multiple of the identity matrix, meaning all diagonal elements must be the same.
  • Others provide counterexamples, indicating that matrices with non-diagonal elements cannot be expressed in this form.
  • One participant illustrates that for a diagonal matrix like A = [[2, 0, 0], [0, 2, 0], [0, 0, 2]], it can be represented as A = (2)I, while questioning the representation of a general matrix with arbitrary elements.
  • There is a challenge to the understanding of the identity matrix's multiplication properties, with some participants emphasizing that K * I results in a matrix with K along the diagonal and zeros elsewhere.
  • One participant asserts that it is an established mathematical fact that only diagonal matrices with equal diagonal elements can be expressed in the form A = K * I.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus. There are competing views on the conditions under which a square matrix can be represented as A = K * I, with some asserting it is only valid for certain types of matrices while others challenge this assertion.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the assumption that K must be constant across all diagonal elements for the representation to hold, and the discussion does not resolve the implications of non-diagonal elements in square matrices.

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Is is possible to represent a "square matrix" with the product of the constant and identity matrix of same order of given matrix


EX:-A=[ ] 4x4 matrix

can I make it something like this A=(K) I 4x4

K= constant
I=identity matrix
 
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pjunky said:
Is is possible to represent a "square matrix" with the product of the constant and identity matrix of same order of given matrix


EX:-A=[ ] 4x4 matrix

can I make it something like this A=(K) I 4x4

K= constant
I=identity matrix

It's not clear what you are asking. If I is the identity matrix, then (K)I= K. But what doe you mean by the "constant" matrix? A= (K) I= K only if A is already the "constant" matrix itself.
 
No. There are tons of trivial counter examples. Any square matrix with components that are *not* along the diagonal.
 
HallsofIvy said:
It's not clear what you are asking. If I is the identity matrix, then (K)I= K. But what doe you mean by the "constant" matrix? A= (K) I= K only if A is already the "constant" matrix itself.

for example
if the matrix A is some thing like this:-
2 0 0
0 2 0
0 0 2 =====> A=(2)I
where K=2
I=identity matrix of order 3



Now what I want to know is if matrix A is
a b c
d e f
g h i =======>A=(k)I

is it possible to shrink A in this form for a square matrix
how can I find what exactly k is??
 
pjunky said:
for example
if the matrix A is some thing like this:-
2 0 0
0 2 0
0 0 2 =====> A=(2)I
where K=2
I=identity matrix of order 3



Now what I want to know is if matrix A is
a b c
d e f
g h i =======>A=(k)I

is it possible to shrink A in this form for a square matrix
how can I find what exactly k is??

You can't do what you want if the matrix A does not have a form like these:

<br /> \begin{bmatrix} 4 &amp; 0\\0 &amp; 4 \end{bmatrix}, \quad \begin{bmatrix} -3 &amp; 0 &amp; 0\\0 &amp; -3 &amp; 0\\0 &amp; 0 &amp; -3 \end{bmatrix}<br />

So, even more directly, if you start with

<br /> \begin{bmatrix} 4 &amp; 2\\-8 &amp; \pi \end{bmatrix}<br />

you cannot write this as k I_2 no matter how imaginative you are in selecting the number k.
 
I must add - this is the point both HallsOfIvy and Tac-Tics were making.
 
yeah I got the point
@ all people thanks for your help
 
so you saying that a nxn matrix can only be written as K * I where k is a constant is if it's diagonal elements are the same. (ie a diagonal matrix where the elements in the diagonal is equal)?
 
chota said:
so you saying that a nxn matrix can only be written as K * I where k is a constant is if it's diagonal elements are the same. (ie a diagonal matrix where the elements in the diagonal is equal)?
Have you actually tried this multiplication? The number k times I is exactly a matrix with "k" along the diagaonal and zeros everywhere else. Why are you even asking such a question? It's a lot like asking repeatedly if 1+ 1= 3. DO it and see for yourself!
 
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chota said:
so you saying that a nxn matrix can only be written as K * I where k is a constant is if it's diagonal elements are the same. (ie a diagonal matrix where the elements in the diagonal is equal)?

This is an indubitable fact of mathematics.
 

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