Reversible heat pump - Work input?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between a reversible heat pump and an ideal heat engine, specifically focusing on deriving an expression for the ratio of heat absorbed by the heat pump to the heat input of the heat engine in terms of four temperatures (T1, T2, T3, and T4).

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the Carnot efficiency of the heat engine and its expression in terms of temperatures. There are attempts to relate the efficiency to work output and the coefficient of performance (COP) of the heat pump. Questions arise regarding the correctness of sourced equations and their derivation.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on expressing the Carnot efficiency and relating it to the heat engine's work output. There is an acknowledgment of a potential misprint in the diagram, which has been noted but not resolved. The discussion appears to be progressing with various interpretations being explored.

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Participants mention a lack of familiarity with certain equations and seek confirmation on their correctness. There is also a reference to a misprint in the diagram affecting the discussion.

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1. An ideal heat engine (HE) is used to drive a reversible heat pump (HP) as shown in figure
below. The HE takes in Q1 heat units at T1 and rejects Q2 at T2. The HP abstracts Q4 from the sink at T4 and discharges Q3 at T3. Develop an expression for the ratio Q4/Q1 in terms of the four temperatures (T1, T2, T3, & T4)




2.I have sourced some equations for work from elsewhere, but I am unfamiliar with these equations for work as I have not seen them in any of my textbooks or lecture notes. I don't know if the equations are correct, I guess what I'm looking for is confirmation that they are correct and some explanation or reference source so I can understand how these equations were derived.

Thanks
 

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If the heat engine is ideal, then the maximum efficiency it can work at the carnot efficiency. Do you know how to express this efficiency in terms of the temperatures?
 
That would be (Th-Tl)/Th correct?
 
Splint said:
That would be (Th-Tl)/Th correct?

Right so

ηcarnot= (Th-Tl)/Th = 1 - Tl/Th

What is this for your heat engine? (i.e. in terms of T1 and T3)


ηcarnot is also the same as Work Output/Heat Input

So what is your work output equal to?
 
Splint said:
That would be (Th-Tl)/Th correct?

Correct.

Use the refrigerator COP of the heat pump (Qc/W) where W is the output of the heat engine: and the efficiency of the heat engine: W/Qh to find the ratio of Q4/Q1 in terms of COP and η. Then all you have to do is express the COP and η in terms of temperatures, T1, T2, T3 and T4.


AM
 
What is this for your heat engine? (i.e. in terms of T1 and T3)
ηcarnot= (T1-T2)/T1 = 1 - T1/T2 Please note that there appears to be a misprint on the diagram. T3 located by Q2 should be (presumably) T2.

COPr = Q4/(Q3-Q4) = T3/(T4-T3)
 
Looks like I got it sorted. Thanks for your assistance wit this.
 

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