Discussion Overview
The discussion revolves around the fundamental equations of thermodynamics, specifically focusing on the implications of reversible and irreversible processes in closed systems without chemical reactions. Participants explore the relationships between internal energy, entropy, and work, as well as the validity of certain inequalities and equalities in these contexts.
Discussion Character
- Technical explanation
- Debate/contested
- Mathematical reasoning
Main Points Raised
- One participant states that the equations dU=TdS−pdV and dU=dQ+dW should hold true irrespective of the process being reversible or irreversible.
- Another participant clarifies that the equality applies only to closely neighboring thermodynamic equilibrium states and that integrating along an irreversible path is not valid.
- A different participant expresses confusion regarding the implications of Reichl's statement and proposes a series of equations to analyze the relationship between work and entropy in reversible and irreversible cases.
- This participant introduces the concept of generated entropy during irreversible processes, suggesting that it leads to a modified inequality for internal energy.
- Another participant challenges the use of differentials for irreversible processes and proposes an alternative formulation of the Clausius inequality that incorporates boundary temperature.
Areas of Agreement / Disagreement
Participants express differing views on the applicability of certain thermodynamic equations to irreversible processes. There is no consensus on the interpretation of Reichl's statement or the validity of the proposed inequalities and formulations.
Contextual Notes
Participants highlight limitations in applying differential equations to irreversible processes and the dependence on specific definitions, such as boundary temperature versus average temperature.