Reversible / Irreversible Fundamental Equation

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The discussion centers on the thermodynamic equations governing closed systems without chemical reactions, specifically the relationships between internal energy (dU), entropy (dS), and work (dW). The equations dU = TdS - pdV and dU = dQ + dW are established, with the inequality dU ≤ TdS - pdV being clarified as applicable only to irreversible processes. The conversation references Reichl's 2016 work, emphasizing that equality holds for reversible processes while the inequality accounts for spontaneous changes. The analysis concludes that the relationship dW = -pdV + TdS_{gen} accurately describes the work required in irreversible processes, where generated entropy (dS_{gen}) accounts for additional work against friction.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of thermodynamic principles, specifically the first and second laws of thermodynamics.
  • Familiarity with state variables such as internal energy (U), entropy (S), and volume (V).
  • Knowledge of differential calculus as applied to thermodynamic equations.
  • Experience with reversible and irreversible processes in thermodynamics.
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  • Study the Clausius inequality and its implications for irreversible processes in thermodynamics.
  • Explore the derivation and applications of the first and second laws of thermodynamics in closed systems.
  • Learn about the role of entropy generation (dS_{gen}) in irreversible processes and its practical implications.
  • Investigate the differences between reversible and irreversible work in thermodynamic systems.
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This discussion is beneficial for thermodynamics students, researchers in physical sciences, and engineers working with energy systems, particularly those focusing on the behavior of closed systems and the implications of irreversible processes.

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As far as I learned, the following statements should be correct (for closed systems, no chemical reactions), irrespective whether the process is reversible or irreversible (since S and V are state variables):

dU=TdS−pdV
dU=dQ+dW

Does this imply, that the statement:

dU≤TdS−pdV

is wrong?
This is e.g. written in [Reichl, L. 2016, Modern Course in Statistical Physics]). Reichl says that "The equality holds for reversible changes, and the inequality holds for changes which are spontaneous."
 
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The equality applies to two closely neighboring (differentially separated) thermodynamic equilibrium states. If you follow a tortuous irreversible path between the same two closely neighboring thermodynamic equilibrium states, then you cannot integrate the equation along this irreversible path. Only if the tortuous path is reversible can you do this. In either case, the differential expression gives the correct result for the change from the initial to the final thermodynamic thermodynamic equilibrium states if they are differentially separated.
 
Thanks for you answer. I agree with you but I'm still a little bit confused by Reichls statement. However, I would also agree with that if the following is true (closed system, no chemical reactions, Volume work being the only work interaction coordinate).
\begin{align*}
dU &= dQ + dW ~~~(1) \\
dU &= dQ_{rev} + dW_{rev} ~~~ (2) \\
dU &= TdS - pdV ~~~ (3) \\
\end{align*}
Then I can insert Clausius definition of Entropy ## dS = dQ_{rev}/T ## into eq. (2):
$$ dU = TdS + dW_{rev} $$
Comparing to eq. (3) yields the relation for reversible work:
$$ dW_{rev} = - pdV $$
For the irreversible case, ##dS \ge dQ/T##, in fact, one could write:
$$ dS = dQ/T + dS_{gen} ~~~ (4) $$
with ##dS_{gen}## being the generated entropy during the process. Inserting eq. (4) into eq. (1) yields:
$$dU = TdS - TdS_{gen} + dW ~~~ (5)$$
or, equivalently, due to the fact that ##dS_{gen}## is always positve:
$$dU \le TdS + dW$$
This last equation is equal to that of Reichl (I wrongly cited it, Reichl did not use -pdV, but rather a general work term).
From eq. (5) and eq. (3) it follows, that:
$$dW = -pdV + TdS_{gen}$$
This would imo make sense, when e.g. compressing a gas irreversibly, one does not only need work to overcome the internal pressure ##-pdV##, but also some work to overcome friction (assuming that ##TdS_{gen}## is actually friction).

Can someone confirm, that this is true?
 
I never work with differentials for irreversible processes. Plus, for irreversible processes, the Clausius inequality should read $$dQ=T_BdS+T_BS_{gen}$$not TdS, where ##T_B## is the boundary temperature of the system with its surroundings rather than the average temperature.
 
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