Reversing the Order of Double Integrals

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The discussion revolves around reversing the order of double integrals for a given domain defined by specific inequalities. The problem involves understanding the limits of integration and the geometric interpretation of the area represented by the integrals.

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  • Participants explore the correct limits for reversing the order of integration, with some questioning the validity of proposed limits and the geometric representation of the area.

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There is an active exploration of the problem, with participants providing insights into the geometric interpretation of the region defined by the inequalities. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to separate the integral into two parts based on the triangular area.

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Participants note potential confusion regarding the vertices of the triangle and the limits of integration, indicating a need for careful graphical representation to clarify the setup.

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b]1. Homework Statement [/b]

Given Domain :[tex]\int[/tex][tex]\int[/tex]f(x,y)dydx
0[tex]\leq[/tex]x[tex]\leq[/tex]1
x-1[tex]\leq[/tex]y[tex]\leq[/tex]2-2x
reiterate the integrals so the order is reversed

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not really sure how to complete,
[tex]\int[/tex][tex]\int[/tex]f(xy)dxdy
y+1[tex]\leq[/tex]x[tex]\leq[/tex](2-y)/2
-1[tex]\leq[/tex]y[tex]\leq[/tex]2

Is this correct?
 
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hils0005 said:
b]1. Homework Statement [/b]

Given Domain :[tex]\int[/tex][tex]\int[/tex]f(x,y)dydx
0[tex]\leq[/tex]x[tex]\leq[/tex]1
x-1[tex]\leq[/tex]y[tex]\leq[/tex]2-2x
reiterate the integrals so the order is reversed

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


not really sure how to complete,
[tex]\int[/tex][tex]\int[/tex]f(xy)dxdy
y+1[tex]\leq[/tex]x[tex]\leq[/tex](2-y)/2
-1[tex]\leq[/tex]y[tex]\leq[/tex]2
It should be obvious that it is not correct. The first integral is a number. This integral will, after integrating, be a function of y. In order to be a number, the limits of integration on the "outside" integeral, with respect to y, must be numbers, not functions of y.

Draw a picture! In the original "outside" integral, x ranges from 0 to -1. For each x, y ranges from x-1 up to 2- 2x. Those are straight lines and you should see that the area is a triangle with vertices (0, -1), (2, 0) and (0, 2).

Now look at it from the side. To cover that entire area, y needs to vary from -1 to 1: those will be the limits on the "outer", dy, integral. For each y, x varies form 0 up to x= a function of y, given by the line making the right boundary. It looks to me like you will need to separate that into two integrals: y form -1 to 0 and then from 0 to 1.
 
I have the verticies of the triangle at (2,0), (1,0), and (0,-1)?

wouldn't that mean dy would range from -1 to 2?

the lower part of the triangle dy from -1 to 0, x goes from 0 to y+1
ther upper part, dy ranges from 0 to 2, x goes from 0 to (y-2)/2

do you put an addition sign in between the the two integrals?
 
hils0005 said:
I have the verticies of the triangle at (2,0), (1,0), and (0,-1)?

wouldn't that mean dy would range from -1 to 2?

the lower part of the triangle dy from -1 to 0, x goes from 0 to y+1
ther upper part, dy ranges from 0 to 2, x goes from 0 to (y-2)/2

do you put an addition sign in between the the two integrals?
Then draw the graph more carefully. The two lines y= x- 1 and y= 2- 2x intersect at (1, 0). y= x-1 intersects x=0 at y= -1 and y= 2- 2x intersects x= 0 at y= 1. The vertices are, as I said, (0, -1), (0, 1), and (1, 0).
 
HallsofIvy said:
...and y= 2- 2x intersects x= 0 at y= 1...

Really? :wink:
 

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