Rindler Coordinates & Quadrants: Resolving an Issue

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of Rindler coordinates in the context of Minkowski space, specifically addressing whether they can be accurately described as covering the first quadrant. The scope includes conceptual clarification and technical reasoning related to the definitions of quadrants in both Euclidean and Minkowski spaces.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that Rindler coordinates are said to cover the first quadrant of Minkowski space, which is typically defined as one quarter of an Euclidean plane.
  • Others argue that Rindler coordinates, when considering only one spatial dimension, cover a region bounded by two 45° lines, which may not align with traditional definitions of a quadrant.
  • A participant suggests that on a spacetime diagram, the two lightlike lines partition Minkowski spacetime into four regions, each referred to as a quadrant in this context.
  • Some participants assert that the Rindler wedge can indeed be considered one-quarter of the plane, proposing that the orientation of the quadrant can be adjusted by rotating the diagram.
  • A later reply reflects on the challenge of adapting one's perspective when learning relativity, indicating a broader issue of viewpoint in understanding these concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether Rindler coordinates can be classified as covering a quadrant, with some supporting the classification and others challenging it based on traditional definitions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the appropriateness of the term "quadrant" in this context.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the definitions being used, particularly regarding the interpretation of quadrants in different geometrical contexts. The discussion also highlights the potential for confusion stemming from differing conventions in relativity versus classical geometry.

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Im reading a text where the author says that the Rindler coordinates cover the first quadrant of Minkowski space and thus can be used as coordinates there. He is considering only 1 spatial dimension.

I learned in high school that a quadrant is one quarter of an Euclidean plane. I looked up definitions on the web and the term may also refer to a 90° arc lengh of a circle.

But in the case of Rindler coordinates, considering only 1 space dimension, its clear that they cover only a part of Minkowski space that is bounded by two 45° lines, and this is not in agreement with the definitions of a quadrant.

On the other hand, I have so little knowledge about Relativity, so is this term used differently in Relativity?
 
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kent davidge said:
Im reading a text where the author says that the Rindler coordinates cover the first quadrant of Minkowski space and thus can be used as coordinates there. He is considering only 1 spatial dimension.

I learned in high school that a quadrant is one quarter of an Euclidean plane. I looked up for definitions on the web and the term may also refer to a 90° arc lengh of a circle.

But in the case of Rindler coordinates, considering only 1 space dimension, its clear that they cover only a part of Minkowski space that is bounded by two 45° lines, and this is not in agreement with the definitions of a quadrant.

On a spacetime diagram, the two lightlike lines ("lines at 45°") partition Minkowski spacetime (for one spatial dimension) into four regions. In this context, each of these regions is called a quadrant.
 
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kent davidge said:
I learned in high school that a quadrant is one quarter of an Euclidean plane.
The Rindler wedge IS one-quarter of the plane. If it bothers you that the edges of the quadrant aren't vertical and horizontal, you can always turn your sheet of paper a quarter-turn counterclockwise.
 
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Nugatory said:
The Rindler wedge IS one-quarter of the plane. If it bothers you that the edges of the quadrant aren't vertical and horizontal, you can always turn your sheet of paper a quarter-turn counterclockwise.
Oh I had actually considered this as a possibility but discarded later.
 
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Oh I had actually considered this as a possibility but discarded later.
I should have said one-eighth of a turn:smile: and seriously, kidding aside, one of the early challenges for someone learning relativity is to break themselves of the habit of privileging their own viewpoint.
 
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