Rolling in a cone, normal force

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the analysis of forces acting on an object rolling inside a cone, specifically focusing on the normal force exerted by the cone's surface. Participants explore the decomposition of forces and the correct interpretation of the components of the normal force in relation to the angle of the cone.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the calculation of the vertical component of the normal force, suggesting it should be N/sinθ, while the book states it is N*sinθ.
  • Another participant points out that the perpendicular component of a force cannot exceed the magnitude of the actual force, emphasizing the need to correctly decompose the weight into its components.
  • There is a suggestion to visualize the weight as the hypotenuse of a triangle to derive the correct expression for the components of the forces involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion reflects a lack of consensus on the correct interpretation of the normal force's components, with differing views on the mathematical representation of these forces. Some participants appear to resolve their doubts independently, while others continue to engage with the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the mathematical steps involved in decomposing the forces, and there are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of the angles and forces in the context of the cone.

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I have a small problem with this question. In this problem, the cone exerts a normal force. This force, should be perpendicular to the inside surface of the cone. In equating the vertical forces, I need the vertical component of this normal force. I would draw this force perpendicular to the surface, and then using the angle θ, I would get a force of N/sinθ. But in the book, it says that it should be N*sinθ. What am I doing wrong here?
 

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Suddenly, I get it. Never mind! I can't find how to delete this thread.
 
You are decomposing the weight into its components which will be parallel and perpendicular to the inner surface of the cone. How can the perpendicular component have a magnitude greater than the actual force? Whenever you split a force at any angle, you get a value between 0 and the magnitude of the force depending upon the angle. Make the weight the hypotenuse of the triangle and see what expression you get.
 
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KEVmathematics said:
Suddenly, I get it. Never mind! I can't find how to delete this thread.
As far as I'm aware, that is not possible. And why delete proof that you resolved your own doubt?
 

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