Rope with mass but ignoring Pulley

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In a scenario where a rope with mass is involved but the pulley is ignored, the forces acting on the man must consider the entire weight of the rope that is above the ground. The rope can only exert tension and cannot create a normal force, meaning it does not push the man upward. The man exerts a downward force that corresponds to the weight of the rope above his hand, which includes the entire mass of the rope. The force he applies should equal half the weight of the total system since there is no acceleration. Understanding these dynamics is crucial for solving the problem effectively.
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If there is a problem like in the image provided, and the rope has a mass but the pulley is not being considered in the problem, what forces would the rope affect the man with?

Since the rope touches the ground will the rope send a normal force up which pushes the man up? I am assuming that this does not take affect.

Would the man push down on all the mass of the rope or just what is present in the air or what is just above his hand? I am assuming that only the mass of what is above his hand counts.

I have come up with multiple solutions trying a combination of all the above, all I know is the force the man pushes down with should be half of what the weight of the total system because there is no acceleration, but what weight of the rope should be included?
 

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hi umaza! welcome to pf! :smile:

a rope can only be in tension, not compression, there can be no normal force

and the weight of the whole rope, above the ground, must be taken into account
 
Thanks a whole lot, I really appreciate it. That really helps.
 
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