Rotating Disc & Speed of Light ?

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The discussion centers around the implications of a rotating disc moving at relativistic speeds, particularly concerning the relationship between its radius and circumference as perceived by a stationary observer. The conversation touches on concepts from the theory of relativity and the Ehrenfest paradox, exploring both geometric and material interpretations of the scenario.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the radius of a rotating disc remains constant while its circumference shrinks due to relativistic effects, indicating a potential conflict with Euclidean geometry.
  • Another participant suggests that choosing a global set of coordinates could clarify the situation, implying that the interpretation of the problem may depend on the chosen frame of reference.
  • A third participant references the Ehrenfest paradox, suggesting that the geometry of space around the rotating disc is not Euclidean and that the ratio of circumference to radius may not equal pi under these conditions.
  • Some participants propose that the material of the disc may experience increased stress due to the contraction, leading to potential deformation or failure, indicating a different interpretation of the physical implications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing interpretations of the scenario, with no consensus on whether the geometry remains Euclidean or not, and whether the physical implications of the contraction lead to material failure or not.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the choice of reference frame and the assumptions made about the material properties of the disc under relativistic conditions.

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Rotating Disc & Speed of Light ?!

If a point on a disc's outer edge is traveling close to the speed of light and things contract in the direction of the acceleration at those speeds (relative to a stationary observer) would that mean the disc's radius stays the same but the circumfrance shrinks?

This has been hurting my head for days, hope someone can shed some light on it.
 
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Choose a global set of coordinates and everything will be clear.

Carl
 
sabin said:
If a point on a disc's outer edge is traveling close to the speed of light and things contract in the direction of the acceleration at those speeds (relative to a stationary observer) would that mean the disc's radius stays the same but the circumfrance shrinks?

This has been hurting my head for days, hope someone can shed some light on it.
That depends on your interpretation of what is happening.

In the theory of relativity the circumference indeed shrinks and as a result of the space in the rotating disk is no longer Euclidean but curved and pi is no longer a correct ratio. Furthermore by applying the equivalence principle we can deduce that the same applies to a gravitational field. :smile:

Alternatively one can interpret that the space remains Euclidean and that the shrinking will increase the stress on the material and that it either bends or bursts. :smile:
 

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