Rotating rigid sphere stress-energy tensor

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The discussion centers on the transformation of the stress-energy tensor for a rigid sphere from its rest frame to a rotating frame using Lorentz transformations. Participants explore the implications of rotation on the stress-energy tensor and the necessary mathematical formulations involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests guidance on transforming the stress-energy tensor for a sphere in a rest frame to that in a rotating frame using Lorentz transformations.
  • Another participant questions the necessity of using a rotating frame and mentions that rotations in Lorentz transformations are analogous to those in Euclidean space.
  • A participant presents the form of the stress-energy tensor in the rest frame, suggesting that only the T^{00} component is nonzero initially.
  • One participant proposes using a specific velocity 4-vector to compute the stress-energy tensor and suggests transforming to polar coordinates.
  • Another participant corrects the initial assumption about the stress-energy tensor in the rest frame, indicating that T^{ij} is nonzero and relates to pressure.
  • There is a suggestion to apply an ordinary boost in all three spatial directions with a velocity related to the angular speed of the sphere.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the initial conditions of the stress-energy tensor and the methods for transforming it. There is no consensus on the best approach to take, and multiple perspectives on the transformation process remain present.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the definitions of the stress-energy tensor and the conditions under which it is transformed are not fully explored. The discussion includes various mathematical formulations that may depend on specific coordinate choices.

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Hy.

Can somebody please show me the way, how to transform stress-energy tensor for sphere in rest frame to stress-energy tensor in rotating frame using Lorentz transformations?
 
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aatw said:
Hy.

Can somebody please show me the way, how to transform stress-energy tensor for sphere in rest frame to stress-energy tensor in rotating frame using Lorentz transformations?

Hy aatw! Welcome to PF! :smile:

Whyever would you want to use a rotating frame? :confused:

Anyway, the rotations in the group of Lorentz transformations are exactly the same as in ordinary Euclidean space. :wink:
 
Thanks for your quick reply.
Maybe I didn't express myself so well.
Let's start from stress-energy tensor for sphere, which can be written as [tex]T^{ab} = (\rho + p) u^a u^b + p g^{ab}[/tex], but in rest frame where sphere doesn't rotate, it's only [tex]T^{00}[/tex] element that's nonzero (I think so!).
But now sphere starts to rotate with angular speed [tex]\omega[/tex] around z axis and I want to use Lorentz transformation to determine [tex]T^{ab}[/tex] for rotating sphere.
 
Have you tried plugging in this velocity 4-vector ?
[tex] <br /> <br /> \left[ \begin{array}{c}<br /> -\sqrt{\omega^2r^2-c^2}\\\<br /> -\omega r\sin(\omega t) \\\<br /> \omega r\cos(\omega t) \\\<br /> 0 \end{array} \right][/tex]
where [itex]r^2=x^2+y^2[/itex] into the EMT ? This seems to be in cartesian coords but easy enough to transform to polar.

I suppose another approach would be to boost in the x and y directions with velocities as given above. I'll try that later if I have time.
 
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aatw said:
Thanks for your quick reply.
Maybe I didn't express myself so well.
Let's start from stress-energy tensor for sphere, which can be written as [tex]T^{ab} = (\rho + p) u^a u^b + p g^{ab}[/tex], but in rest frame where sphere doesn't rotate, it's only [tex]T^{00}[/tex] element that's nonzero (I think so!).
No, if [itex]g = \eta[/itex] then [itex]T^{ij} = P \delta^i_j[/itex] where P is the pressure between the elements (just use the formula you quoted with [itex]u^a = (1,0,0,0)[/itex] -which is the 4-velocity in the rest frame).

But now sphere starts to rotate with angular speed [tex]\omega[/tex] around z axis and I want to use Lorentz transformation to determine [tex]T^{ab}[/tex] for rotating sphere.
ok, so just use an ordinary boost in all 3 spatial directions with [itex]v=\omega r[/itex]
 
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