Rotating with slipping to rotating without slipping?

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The discussion revolves around the transition of an object, specifically a hula hoop, from a state of rotating with slipping to one of rotating without slipping. The subject area includes concepts of friction, torque, and rotational motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the nature of friction involved in the transition, questioning the role of kinetic versus static friction. There are discussions about how torque affects angular velocity and the conditions under which the transition occurs.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering insights into the gradual nature of the transition and the balance between linear and rotational velocities. Some guidance has been provided regarding the conditions necessary for rolling without slipping, although multiple interpretations are being explored.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions regarding the surface on which the hoop rolls, with some participants questioning the necessity of static friction in this context. The discussion also considers the effects of external factors like air resistance and rolling resistance, which are noted to be ignored in the analysis.

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Homework Statement
This is a problem that I encountered in my physics project. I'm attempting to model an object (a hula hoop) that begins by rotating with slipping, but transitions into rotating without slipping at a certain point. How/when does this transition happen?
Relevant Equations
torque = inertia x angular acceleration
It seems to me that this transition implies going from kinetic friction to static friction. The kinetic friction would apply a torque that would slow down the object's angular velocity, but I'm not sure how this connects to the object suddenly transitioning into rotating without slipping.
 
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nomnom123 said:
Problem Statement: This is a problem that I encountered in my physics project. I'm attempting to model an object (a hula hoop) that begins by rotating with slipping, but transitions into rotating without slipping at a certain point. How/when does this transition happen?
Relevant Equations: torque = inertia x angular acceleration

It seems to me that this transition implies going from kinetic friction to static friction. The kinetic friction would apply a torque that would slow down the object's angular velocity, but I'm not sure how this connects to the object suddenly transitioning into rotating without slipping.

It doesn't suddenly transition. Gradually the rotation increases and the linear speed decreases until there is a balance that equates to rolling without slipping.
 
nomnom123 said:
It seems to me that this transition implies going from kinetic friction to static friction.
This is not quite correct if you are assuming that the rolling takes place on a horizontal surface. Is static friction required for rolling without slipping?
 
While rotating with slip there is a force on the hoop that will both accelerate the hoop (change its linear velocity) and slow it's rate of rotation. At some point the linear velocity and rotational velocity will be consistent with rotation without slip.

As soon as that point is reached the friction force reduces to zero. The hoop rolls along at a constant speed without any tendency to slip.

The above assumes it's rolling on a flat surface and things like air and rolling resistance can be ignored.
 
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