Rotation operator quantum mechanics

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the rotation operator in quantum mechanics, specifically how the rotation group SO(3) is represented on a Hilbert space. Participants explore the mathematical formulation of rotation operators, their relationship with angular momentum operators, and the implications of these representations in quantum mechanics.

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  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the relationship between the rotation matrix R and the operator D(R) in the context of quantum mechanics, questioning if R is viewed as an operator on the Hilbert space.
  • Another participant clarifies that the J_i's in the equations represent matrices of the defining representation of the Lie algebra, suggesting that the notation may have led to confusion.
  • A participant seeks further understanding of the representation of SO(3) on the Hilbert space, asking for clarification on the map π and the nature of the Hilbert space involved.
  • One participant explains that a representation of a Lie algebra involves a linear map from the algebra into linear operators on a vector space, providing an example where the vector space could be L²(ℝ³) and the map involves angular momentum operators.
  • Another participant proposes a method for understanding rotation operators by suggesting that each quantum state has a corresponding rotated version, leading to the definition of unitary operators that represent these rotations.
  • One participant discusses the construction of infinitesimal rotations and how they can be expressed in terms of Hermitian operators, leading to the conclusion that these operators form a representation of the Lie algebra so(3).
  • A participant emphasizes the distinction between rotating the wave function in real space and the action of operators on the wave function, highlighting the need to construct a representation D(R) associated with a rotation R.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the representation of rotation operators and the notation used. There is no consensus on the clarity of the relationship between the rotation matrix and the operator representation, indicating that multiple competing views remain.

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Some participants note potential confusion arising from the notation used and the distinction between different representations of operators. The discussion includes unresolved questions about the nature of the map π and the specific Hilbert space being referenced.

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Hi everyone,

I'm stuck on the concept of the rotation operator in QM.
From what I understand, one constructs a representation of SO(3) on a Hilbert space by mapping a rotation matrix R\in SO(3) specified by an angle \phi and a unit vector \vec{n} to

D(R) = \exp[-\frac{i \phi}{\hbar}\vec{J}\cdot \vec{n}].

However, I know that
R = exp[-\frac{i \phi}{\hbar}\vec{J}\cdot \vec{n}],

which is just the exponential map from \mathfrak{so}(3) to SO(3).
This would amount to saying
D(R)=R,

which confuses me. What is going on here? Are we viewing R as an operator on the Hilbert space?
 
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The J_i's in the second equation are matrices of the defining representation of \mathfrak{so}(3). The J_i's in the first equation should better be called \pi(J_i), where \pi : \mathfrak{so}(3)\rightarrow \mathcal{L}(\mathcal{H}) is a representation of \mathfrak{so}(3) on a Hilbert space \mathcal{H} (the angular momentum operators). So these are really different things and your confusion comes from the abuse of notation.
 
I guess I don't really understand the representation of SO(3) on the Hilbert space then.

What is the map \pi and what is that Hilbert space \mathcal{H}? I've never seen a map from \mathfrak{so}(3) to \mathcal{L(H)} before, so I don't really now how that works.
 
A representation of a Lie algebra \mathfrak g is a linear map \pi:\mathfrak g \rightarrow \mathcal L (\mathcal H) from the Lie algebra into the linear operators on some vector space such that \pi([a,b]) = [\pi(a),\pi(b)] (the Lie bracket is mapped to the commutator). If we apply this to quantum mechanics and \mathfrak{so}(3), the vector space could be L^2(\mathbb R^3) for example and the map \pi could be given by \pi(J_i) = (\hat{\vec{r}}\times\hat{\vec{p}})_i, where \hat{\vec{r}} is the operator that multiplies a state by \vec{r} and \hat{\vec{p}} = -\mathrm i \hbar\nabla. You can easily check that this representation obeys the \mathfrak{so}(3) bracket structure. But you have to be careful: If you exponentiate a Lie algebra representation, you don't necessarily get a representation of the corresponding Lie group. However for the example i just gave you, you do.

But all of this is just a sophisticated way of saying that the \vec{J} is really \hat{\vec{r}}\times(-\mathrm i\hbar\nabla) in your first equation and a vector of 3x3 matrices J_i given by (J_i)_{jk} = \epsilon_{jik} (up to some factors) in your second equation.
 
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Try this approach:

Presumably, for every quantum mechanical state there is a rotated version of that state. This means that, given an axis ##\hat{n}## and an angle ##\phi## there is a unitary operator ##O(\phi, \hat{n})## on the Hilbert space of your quantum mechanical system. This operator has the property that for any state ##| \psi \rangle##, ##O(\phi, \hat{n}) |\psi \rangle## is the rotated version of ##|\psi\rangle##, where the rotation is by an angle ##\phi## around the axis ##\hat{n}##.

So we have a bunch of these operators O, one for each angle and axis. One condition they have to satisfy is that composition of rotations has to come out right. So if we rotate a state twice to get the state ##O(\phi_1, \hat{n_1}) O(\phi_2, \hat{n_2}) | \psi \rangle##, this state had better be equal to ##O(\phi_3, \hat{n_3}) |\psi\rangle##, where ##(\phi_3, \hat{n_3})## is the rotation that results from composing ##(\phi_1, \hat{n_1})## and ##(\phi_2, \hat{n_2})##. So the operators ##O## have to have the same multiplication table as, say, the 3x3 rotation matrices. So the operators ##O## are a representation of the group SO(3).

Now consider infinitesimal rotations. The ##O##'s are unitary, so we can write an infinitesimal O as

##O(\epsilon, \hat{n}) = 1 + i \epsilon J(\hat{n})##.

Where ##J(\hat{n})## is some Hermitian operator on the Hilbert space (and 1 is the identity operator on the Hilbert space). Now I think we argue that SO(3) is three-dimensional, so the ##J(\hat{n})## can be written as linear combinations of three basis operators, which we arrange in a vector ##\vec{J}##. So

##O(\epsilon, \hat{n}) = 1 + i \epsilon \hat{n} \cdot \vec{J}##.

The ##\vec{J}## operators are then a set of three operators on the Hilbert space which form a representation of the Lie algebra so(3).

Finally, if we like we can use exponentials to represent finite ##O##'s in terms of the ##J## operators:

##O(\phi, \hat{n}) = \exp(i \phi \hat{n} \cdot \vec{J})##.
 
The basic idea is rather simple. One starts with a wave function \psi(r). Then one rotates 3-space with a 3*3 rotation matrix r \to r^\prime = R r.

On the other hand one has operators \mathcal{O}, e.g. the r-operator itself, operators for the momentum p represented as differential operators etc. These operators act on the wave function \psi \to \psi^\prime = \mathcal{O}\psi.

Note that we may chose a different representation, e.g. wave function in momentum space. We still have the same operators (in the abstract sense) but now they are represented differently. In momentum space the momentum operator simply becomes a number p, whereas now the r-operator is represented as diffential operator.

In the case of rotations in r-space defined via rotations matrices we are are looking for operators acting on the wave function. That means we want to construct a representation D(R) associated with a rotation R

\psi(r) \to \psi(r^\prime) = \psi(Rr) \stackrel{!}{=} D(R)\,\psi(r) = \psi^\prime(r)

The last line and especially (!) is more or less the defining equation for the idea of representing an entity R acting on r by a new entity D(R) acting on \psi.
 
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