Rotational dynamics of a block in a cone

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A block inside a rotating inverted cone must maintain a balance of forces to stay at a constant height. The static friction force, determined by the normal force and the coefficient of friction, must counteract gravitational and centrifugal forces. The user struggles to identify the opposing forces in both the x and y axes and acknowledges the need to consider gravity. Understanding these forces is crucial to determining the minimum and maximum values of the cone's rotation period, T. Further clarification on the forces acting on the block is necessary for a complete solution.
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1. Homework Statement [/b]

A small block with mass m is placed inside an inverted cone that is rotating about a vertical axis such that the time for one revolution of the cone is T. The walls of the cone make an angle v with the vertical. The coefficient of static friction is between the block and cone is "u". If the block is to remain at a constant height above the apex of the cone, what are the minimum and maximum values of T?

Homework Equations



F=ma

The Attempt at a Solution



Hello guys and gals, really am at a loss here.
In order for the block to remain stationary the static friction force (F) must be larger in magnitude than the forces that try to pull it down or push it up, right?
And F is the Normal force multiplied with the coefficient u.
The force required to keep the block stationary in the x-axis is m*4*pi*r/T^2.
To get the radius i take r=h*tanv.
However identifying all this basic stuff is as far i get. I can't get any farther than this.
I can't seem to identify which forces oppose which forces in the x and y axes.
Badly drawn sketch attached.

Any help appreciated.
 

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First, friction force cannot be larger than the force that try to move it up or down, it can only be equal or less. You can think what would happen otherwise. The block isn't stationary in x direction - it's always moving. And i think you forget gravity. Just draw forces on the block - gravity, normal and centrifugal. Then you might get idea why there is minimum and maximum values of T.
 
housemartin said:
First, friction force cannot be larger than the force that try to move it up or down, it can only be equal or less. You can think what would happen otherwise. The block isn't stationary in x direction - it's always moving. And i think you forget gravity. Just draw forces on the block - gravity, normal and centrifugal. Then you might get idea why there is minimum and maximum values of T.

Ok thanks ill give it another try.
 
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