Rotational Energy and momentum help

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A uniform rod of length L1 and mass M is supported at one end and rotates in a vertical plane after being released from rest. A particle of mass m, attached by a string of length L2, sticks to the rod upon contact. The goal is to determine the ratio L2/L1 that results in a maximum angle θmax of 60° after the collision. The initial energy conservation equation is set up, but further steps lead to a cubic equation that needs solving. The discussion emphasizes the need to consider inelastic collision dynamics and conservation of work to find the rod's speed before and after the collision.
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Homework Statement


A uniform rod of length L1 and mass M = 0.75 kg is supported by a hinge at one end and is free to rotate in the vertical plane (Figure). The rod is released from rest in the position shown. A particle of mass m = 0.5 kg is supported by a thin string of length L2 from the hinge. The particle sticks to the rod on contact. What should be the ratio L2/L1 so that θmax = 60o after the collision?

Homework Equations


Kf − Ki +Uf −Ui = 0

The Attempt at a Solution


I used energy concept to get Kf +Uf −Ui = 1/2(1/3ML)ω^2 +MgL1/2 − MgL1 = 0
I do not know where to go from here though and the teacher said there would be a cubic equation.
 
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mistasong said:

Homework Statement


A uniform rod of length L1 and mass M = 0.75 kg is supported by a hinge at one end and is free to rotate in the vertical plane (Figure). The rod is released from rest in the position shown. A particle of mass m = 0.5 kg is supported by a thin string of length L2 from the hinge. The particle sticks to the rod on contact. What should be the ratio L2/L1 so that θmax = 60° after the collision?

Homework Equations


Kf − Ki +Uf −Ui = 0

The Attempt at a Solution


I used energy concept to get Kf +Uf −Ui = 1/2(1/3ML)ω^2 +MgL1/2 − MgL1 = 0
I do not know where to go from here though and the teacher said there would be a cubic equation.
There is no figure.

From what angle is the rod released?

Also, we've provided icons to facilitate the use of subscripts, X2, and superscripts X2 .
 
You have to take into account inelastic collision. You can use conservation of work to find the speed of the rod just before collision, but you have to do something else to find the speeds after collision... Any ideas?
 
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In this question, I have a question. I am NOT trying to solve it, but it is just a conceptual question. Consider the point on the rod, which connects the string and the rod. My question: just before and after the collision, is ANGULAR momentum CONSERVED about this point? Lets call the point which connects the string and rod as P. Why am I asking this? : it is clear from the scenario that the point of concern, which connects the string and the rod, moves in a circular path due to the string...
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