Saving Whales and Comparing Sounds

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the effects of sound blasting on marine life, specifically fish and whales, in the context of a documentary. Participants explore the comparison of sound levels measured in decibels (dB) between sound blasting and a rock concert, as well as the challenges of comparing sound in air versus sound in water.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the comparison of sound blasting at 240 dB to a rock concert at 120 dB, initially suggesting a figure of 100 times but expressing uncertainty about its correctness.
  • Another participant explains that the difference in dB represents a power ratio of 10^12, noting that loudness is subjective and difficult to quantify in terms of "how many times" one sound is louder than another.
  • A third participant provides a reference to the logarithmic nature of sound measurements, detailing the formulas for Sound Pressure Level (SPL) and Sound Intensity Level (SIL) in decibels.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the comparison of sound levels or the subjective nature of loudness. There are multiple viewpoints regarding the interpretation of decibel levels and their implications for marine life.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexities of comparing sound levels across different mediums (air vs. water) and the limitations of subjective loudness perceptions. There are unresolved aspects regarding the application of logarithmic scales in practical scenarios.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying acoustics, marine biology, environmental science, or documentary filmmaking focused on sound impacts in aquatic environments.

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Hi guys,

I have a problem. Well my friend does. He is shooting a documentary on the effects of sound basting bedrock (bottom of the ocean) on fish/whales. He wants to convey just how loud this sound blasting is. So...

...if the sound blasting is 240dB and a rock concert is 120bD how much louder is that and how do you figure it out? I came up with a figure of 100 times...but I don't think that is correct.

I also told him that comparing sound in air to sound in water isn't a fair comparision, is there a way to make the comparision more fair.

(I'm up to my eyes in study myself and this has already taken up too much of my time, so I reluctantly open it to the floor...:) ) P.S my first post here...go easy;)
 
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240 dB vs 120 dB means 1012 ratio of powers, this is a logarithmic scale.

However, loudness is a subjective thing, it is not easy to say how many times one thing is louder than the other.
 
el director, Welcome to Physics Forums!

For an excellent reference with clearly written definitions, see the below site:

“Sound levels extend over many orders of magnitude and, for this reason, it is convenient to use a logarithmic scale when measuring sound. Both Sound Pressure Level (SPL) and Sound Intensity Level (SIL) are measured in decibels (dB) and are usually expressed as ratios of a measured and a reference level:
Sound Pressure Level (dB) = 20 log (p/pref) where pref is the reference pressure
Sound Intensity Level (dB) = 10 log (I/Iref) where Iref is the reference intensity”
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/acoustics.htm#intensity

If you have any remaining doubts, do post them here. Members of Physics Forums are always ready to assist any true searcher.

Bobbywhy
 
Excellent. Thanks guys. I'll check that out later and let ye know how I do.
 

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