SAW 2 : Mega Box Office Success ?

[marlon]

SAW 2 : Mega Box Office Success ?!

What's "wrong" with SAW 2 ? For the past three evenings i was trying to get a ticket for this motion picture but all seats have already been sold out. The only time that happened in the past was with the Lord of the rings movies, the Starwars movies, The director's cut of the Exorcist. I really enjoyed the first SAW movie. It was easier to get a ticket then because it was not yet very well known. But nowadays, it is a real living hell to get in for the second one.

Did anyone see it ? Did you like it ? I hear it is one of those rare sequels that is as good as the first movie.

Anyhow, wish me luck for tonight, because i will be trying again to acquire three tickets...
If i don't get them tonight, well, then OOHH YES THERE WILL BE BLOOD !
regards
marlon

 

[arildno]

A movie about a SAW??

Haven't heard about it, won't rent it, and I'm certainly not going to see a follow-up movie about the new adventures of an agricultural tool.

 

[cronxeh]

Hype. Movie = Lame. Moviegoers = mindless drones.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/saw_ii/

 

[marlon]

<sigh>

Err, why did i ever start this thread?

I finally got my tickets, that's all that matters.

I am out of here

Bye

marlon

 

[marlon]

Hype. Movie = Lame.

Ok, is this your opinion or did you just copy it somewhere ? Did you actually see the movie ?

Just wondering.

Moviegoers = mindless drones.

I don't understand this comment. What does it mean ? How did you (or your source) judge "these moviegoers" ?

regards
marlon

 

[marlon]

A movie about a SAW??

Err, the movie is more about why one needs the saw or why the saw is even part of the story. Actually, the script behind the first SAW movie was quite original, IMO

marlon

 

[cronxeh]

Ok, is this your opinion or did you just copy it somewhere ? Did you actually see the movie ?
Just wondering.
I don't understand this comment. What does it mean ? How did you (or your source) judge "these moviegoers" ?
regards
marlon

What kind of a sick and twisted pathetic loser will want to see a movie that promotes violence in a form of torture? I could probably use more colorful words but here in US the first amendment allows all kinds of garbage

 

[marlon]

What kind of a sick and twisted pathetic loser will want to see a movie that promotes violence in a form of torture? I could probably use more colorful words but here in US the first amendment allows all kinds of garbage

Clearly we can just disregard your posts in this thread since you do not know what you are talking about.

Thanks for the clarification

regards
marlon

 

[cronxeh]

Clearly we can just disregard your posts in this thread since you do not know what you are talking about.
Thanks for the clarification
regards
marlon

Well I had to watch the trailer for both of those lame movies, and I'm convienced that only losers will want to see it.

 

[marlon]

Well I had to watch the trailer for both of those lame movies, and I'm convienced that only losers will want to see it.

That's like judging a book by it's cover, my dear friend.

A trailer is not a representative parameter to judge an entire movie.

marlon

edit : do please refrain from calling names. It's a pittyful manifestation of immature behaviour.

 

[cronxeh]

That's like judging a book by it's cover, my dear friend.
A trailer is not a representative parameter to judge an entire movie.
marlon
edit : do please refrain from calling names. It's a pittyful manifestation of immature behaviour.

marlon are you on drugs? this movie is the epitome of mindless violence and torture wrapped in action-style script. anybody who remotely enjoys those kinds of movies is DUMB

 

[Gale]

i saw the first movie after much coaxing by a friend. i absolutely hated it, and i think its disgusting that anyone would consider that entertainment. what sort of sick society do we live in when the entire film had NO purpose but to show the mutilation of bodies, and the belittlement of human compassion!? its disgusting. there is no underlying moral story, the ONLY appeal is gore and the twisted pleasures of torture.

aside from my profound sadness and loss of faith in human nature because of such disgusting films being successful and enjoyed by people, I'm alarmed that there was a sequel, which as far as I've heard, has even LESS plot line than the orginal. the only way in which the second movie compares to the first is strictly in aspects of violence and torture.

the friend who forced me to see the first SAW loved it, and he went and saw the second and said it sucked. I hated the first, and no one could ever convince me to see the second.

 

[marlon]

anybody who remotely enjoys those kinds of movies is DUMB

Isn't human intellgence a bit too complex for it to be judged based upon one single parameter ?

marlon

 

[Gale]

may i ask, why did you enjoy these movies?

 

[marlon]

what sort of sick society do we live in when the entire film had NO purpose but to show the mutilation of bodies, and the belittlement of human compassion!?

Relax, it's just a movie.

there is no underlying moral story,

Don't you know the very reason why the Jiggsaw organized his "riddles" ? I do have to pay attention, Gale.

the friend who forced me to see the first SAW loved it

How can you call somebody that forces you to go see a movie a friend ? I think there is something wrong with your morals here.

Gale, even a third SAW movie is being planned.

YEAH

regards
marlon

 

[Gale]

he insisted i'd enjoy it... he however didn't realize that i have an appreciation for human life and dignity...


..he appologized..


and yeah? why did he organize his riddles? sure.. he helped that poor girl.. yeah, what a great guy! no, he just picked f-ed up people to begin with, there's no good intent, just the desire to mutilate and torture to someone to the most extreme. the killer was just a sadist with sick intentions of testing human character in his perverse situations.

I don't care that its just a movie.. Its ENTERTAINMENT! the movie in itself is excusable in that no one is actually killed or hurt, the most sickening aspect is the fact that the movie is appreciated and actually enjoyed at all. people WANT to watch people killed and tortured, that's disusting. even its fantasy, when you're involved in a movie you feel things, and you feel pleasure watching those bodies be mutilated. that's absolutely disgusting.

 

[marlon]

may i ask, why did you enjoy these movies?

Finally a good question.

I really liked the first SAW movie because it contained an original underlying script. I am talking about the fact that the Jiggsaw is not an actual murderer because technically he did not kill any of the victims in the first movie. His victims were placed into a sitiuation that threatened their life. They have a chance to escape but while doing so, they get lethally harmed and die.

I also liked the tension in this movie. Especially the scene where the photographer-guy uses his flash to see what is happening in his own appartement. You cannot deny that certain scenes, like the one i just mentioned, were set up in a very original and ingenious manner.

What i also liked was the actual climax of the movie and the fact that the Jiggsaw was the dead body in between the surgeon and the photographer. The moment he wakes up, well, that's just a memorable pice of theatrical art. I mean, the lightning in that scene, the position of the camera (filming "top down"), the music and the lines that were spoken (revealling how the two captured guys could just have escaped from the room, IF, they had founf the key in the bath tub).

Great work (apart from the acting, i must admit)...

marlon

 

[marlon]

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and yeah? why did he organize his riddles?

I am sorry but clearly you did not get the point of the entire movie. Typical

The reason is that healthy people always take life for granted and mock other that are not that fortunated. The main killer was a patient of Dr Gordan, you know...

sure.. he helped that poor girl.. yeah

No, he made her realize something...LIFE IS PRECIOUS...Embrace it...

This movie promotes the "respect life"-principle.

marlon

 

[cronxeh]

I am talking about the fact that the Jiggsaw is not an actual murderer because technically he did not kill any of the victims in the first movie.

Oh well then Hitler was pretty entertaining to you too, huh?

 

[Gale]

the movie definately does not encourage the "respect life" principle. i would agree that the directing of the film had some technical aspects that were interesting, but aside from a few scenes the film had little else to offer.

And for that girl, no he did not make her realized life is precious. He showed her how invaluable another person's life was to her. she was so selfish and consumed by fear that she killed someone else to save herself. she was disgusting. and that was the killers sick joke. that faced with a moral decision, the girl chose to save herself, and to live out the rest of her sick miserable life, instead of giving a chance to a stranger with a life possibly more worth living. He showed how petty human character really is. That girl could never live a normal happy life. The killer showed that he could ruin her life without even killing her. And you, you got to witness how disgusting a person can be, how selfish, how someone already so lowly can sink lower. Nice lesson...

YOU clearly did not get the point of the movie. Typical.

But oh, the cleverness.. yes of course. we can forgive all the horrible tortures because he never ACTUALLY killed anyone. what a smart guy. Oh, and yes, his victims could have escaped... just like the girl... and they could have gone and lived with the sick consequences of their freedom. What a grand hero...

The movie is downright sick. period. and the only thing more sickening is the enjoyment of it.

 

[marlon]

she was so selfish and consumed by fear that she killed someone else to save herself.

No, she killed someone else to save her own life. When placed in that situation both you and i would do the same. I do not believe that you would be sitting there contemplating on how maybe the other guy's life could be more worthy than yours. I don't even see how one can say that in any situation ?

the girl chose to save herself,

Ofcourse, as we all would do. That's the point. It clearly demonstrates that all these "moral principles" you like to refer to are very superficial and relative. Such morals are a luxury product for people that live in societies which are not afflicted by war or other tragidies. THAT IS THE POINT.

and to live out the rest of her sick miserable life,

Gale, you cannot judge onto another person's life like that.
It's thinking in that fashion that creates dictators, wars and messed up violent societies. Learn your history, please...

instead of giving a chance to a stranger with a life possibly more worth living.

You really cannot say this for you do not know it.

The movie is downright sick. period. and the only thing more sickening is the enjoyment of it.

Hiha, within 1 hour 30 minutes i will be enjoying part 2 in the theater.

regards
marlon

 

[JamesU]

you guys can start whining about this now:

http://imdb.com/title/tt0489270/

 

[marlon]

you guys can start whining about this now:
http://imdb.com/title/tt0489270/

Is this supposed to be "original" ?

Ehh, it's being done...:zzz:

marlon

 

[SpaceTiger]

Horror movies rule. I've never seen the Saw movies, but they look like pretty standard fare. I think horror movie fans are a lot like thrill-seekers -- they want to be shocked and stimulated by the unconventional. That doesn't mean they want to act these things out or see them happen in real life.

Don't let me persuade the nay-sayers, however. If it weren't for the large fraction of the population that was appalled by the movies, there would be no fun to be had.

 

[zoobyshoe]

Saw is a very unimaginative rip-off of seven: the serial killer who rationalized his murders with the facade of a high moral ground. The "lesson" of the film, if there is one, is that sick and demented people can always twist some kind of ethics or morals to justify their atrocities in their own mind.

I saw the two kids responsible for Saw interviewed on TV and it's clear they were completely insensible to the reality of any of these kinds of murders. To them it is just a game to think up the next best plot twist.

 

[SpaceTiger]

Saw is a very unimaginative rip-off of seven

Seven was truly awesome. Never before have I so hated the antagonist at the end of a movie. Yet another reason why Kevin Spacey is my favorite actor.

 

[zoobyshoe]

Seven was truly awesome. Never before have I so hated the antagonist at the end of a movie. Yet another reason why Kevin Spacey is my favorite actor.

That was a good movie, but only because the audience is firmly rooting for the character Morgan Freeman played. Kevin Spacey is definitely the evil monster. (And he is a great actor, excellent both at playing villains and protagonists. He was wonderful in American Beauty.)

 

[JamesU]

it's Se7en. ;)

 

[Anttech]

Im convinced.. Seems like there is a lot of abbrasion towards this movie.. Think Ill get some tickets :-)

Se7en was an amazing flick, very provocative.. I love being provocted..

 

[zoobyshoe]

I love being provocted..

Just get tribdog's attention, then.

 

[Anttech]

thought provocation... not slander

 

[marlon]

Im convinced.. Seems like there is a lot of abbrasion towards this movie.. Think Ill get some tickets :-)

Se7en was an amazing flick, very provocative.. I love being provocted..

Just saw part two...I loooved it...It was again a very original script. The only thing that bothered me a bit was the fact it was not bloody enough for me. I would have liked it to be a bit more DIRECT in the violence.


Se7en rules indeed. SAW has nothing to do with this masterpiece.

Go get your tickets man...

HORRER RULES...

marlon

 

[marlon]

Horror movies rule.

IT SURE DOES

I've never seen the Saw movies, but they look like pretty standard fare.

That is indeed true.


regards
marlon

 

[marlon]

Just get tribdog's attention, then.

tribdog ? pfff, yeah right...

What kind of interesting stuff did he ever say on this forum ?

He can come over here and provoque me...

marlon

 

[JamesU]

The only thing that bothered me a bit was the fact it was not bloody enough for me.

I heard that there's a pic online of Michael after the venus flytrap was taken off

 

[marlon]

I heard that there's a pic online of Michael after the venus flytrap was taken off

Where can i find this picture ? I might use it as wrapping paper for some of my New Years Eve presents :) Funny isn't it ? hahahaha

marlon

 

[JamesU]

I have no idea. I've seen one with Gus laying down after he got shot in the head though, pretty gorey, probably over-exaggerated

 

[Gale]

I actually liked Seven. I didn't appreciate the graphic scenes, but that wasn't surprising. Seven was much more original and had a plot. Saw was pointless and disgusting. i don't pretend to be particularly fond of horror, but i don't mind most. Saw however, was simply disturbing and it really sickens me that anyone enjoyed it.

 

[JamesU]

You find sAW disturbing but not Se7en? You mean that making a guy eat to death, and then kicking him and making him burst didn't disturb you? That's pretty messed up.

 

[Evo]

Where can i find this picture ? I might use it as wrapping paper for some of my New Years Eve presents :) Funny isn't it ? hahahaha
marlon

All right, a lot of people are upset by gory movies, let's not provoke people.

If you like slasher movies, that's fine, but let's not glorify the behavior exemplified in the movie.

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

I watched the first one and thought it wasn't bad. The second one was rather cheesy in my opinion.


Gale, you might be slightly comfitted to know that in the second movie jigsaw made his "puzzles" in such a way that the participants were to give of themselves in order to save the others. Ofcourse none of them really do this.

 

[Anttech]

I actually liked Seven. I didn't appreciate the graphic scenes, but that wasn't surprising. Seven was much more original and had a plot. Saw was pointless and disgusting. i don't pretend to be particularly fond of horror, but i don't mind most. Saw however, was simply disturbing and it really sickens me that anyone enjoyed it.

This is the same type of stuff people said about "clockwork orange" all those years ago... And that is now deemed a masterpeice now :-)

 

[marlon]

If you like slasher movies, that's fine, but let's not glorify the behavior exemplified in the movie.

Are we glorifying that behaviour then ?

In all honesty, i don't see why you post such a remark. If you read this thread carefully, you will see there is not a single post (up till this one) that tries to convince people this kind of behaviour is good because of whatever reason.

marlon

ps : but in all honesty Evo, i very well understand why you wrote your post inhere. I will not push this any further...Sorry

 

[tribdog]

I thought the first saw was okay, the second was just too much for me though. I'm all for a little gratuitous violence, but saw 2 goes way too far. 2 solid hours of extreme torture and pain. Faces of Death looks tame in comparison.

 

[marlon]

.
If you like slasher movies

I do, especially the subcategory denoted with the epithton "TEEN". Like I know what you did last summer, staring Jennifer Love Hewit dressed in a very nice (yet very present) "soutien gorge"...

marlon

 

[zoobyshoe]

Are we glorifying that behaviour then ?
In all honesty, i don't see why you post such a remark. If you read this thread carefully, you will see there is not a single post (up till this one) that tries to convince people this kind of behaviour is good because of whatever reason.
marlon

Marlon, you made it very clear you think the serial killer is the good guy in Saw:

Your post #18

and yeah? why did he organize his riddles? sure..

I am sorry but clearly you did not get the point of the entire movie. Typical
The reason is that healthy people always take life for granted and mock other that are not that fortunated. The main killer was a patient of Dr Gordan, you know...

he helped that poor girl.. yeah, what a great guy!

No, he made her realize something...LIFE IS PRECIOUS...Embrace it...
This movie promotes the "respect life"-principle.
marlon

You feel the serial killer is promoting a "respect life" principle.

 

[Gale]

You find sAW disturbing but not Se7en? You mean that making a guy eat to death, and then kicking him and making him burst didn't disturb you? That's pretty messed up.

Seven had an underlying plot and morals involved. Saw did not. Seven was about a killer who actualized the "seven deadly sins." i appreciated the movie because underlying the violence and torture the message was about good vs evil and sinning and the moral dilemma at the end of the movie. The movie has killing, but was not created for the sake of watching people die. Seven is a MUCH better movie. The killing in the movie has purpose, and serves as a medium to get out its message about morals and values.

Saw had nothing of the sort. Its a movie created so that sick people can enjoy the murder and torture of human beings from the comfort of their home, under the guise of entertainment.

 

[Anttech]

Its only a fick guys, come on :-)

Its art.. its suppose to make u think, if u know what is right and what is wrong then no problems

 

[marlon]

Marlon, you made it very clear you think the serial killer is the good guy in Saw:

Your post #18
You feel the serial killer is promoting a "respect life" principle.

<sighs>

No Zooby,

I am not promoting such behaviour, i was outlining what the movie is about. I was illustrating the killer's motif. All these posts of mine are almost exact quotes from the movie. This is not my personal opinion. I don't even get how you come to such a conclusion ? Care to explain, hu ?

There is a line between fiction and reality, you know.

Besides, even if it were my opinion (which it is NOT), i really should not be answering to you, should I ? Care to explain, hu ?

regards
marlon

 

[Chi Meson]

I never saw saw. But a friend of mine did see saw. One of my students saw saw too and I think he was going to see saw two. My friend (who saw saw but did not see saw two) thought saw was so so. My student (who saw saw and went to see saw two too) thought saw was great. I don't intend to see saw and I won't say saw sucks, nor saw two (if I never saw saw two I can't say saw two sucks) but so many say saw is worth seeing and if you see saw you're supposed to see saw two too. But I won't be saying if saw, saw two, or anything I've never seen is worth seeing or if it sucks.Kicking a dead horse...