Scalar powers of a matrix exponential

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The discussion revolves around the properties of matrix exponentials, specifically exploring the identity ##(e^A)^n=e^{nA}## for real values of n. Participants are examining the definitions and implications of this identity in both matrix and scalar contexts, considering theoretical and mathematical reasoning.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the identity holds for integer n if A and B commute, but questions how to extend this to real n.
  • Another participant suggests defining ##\left(e^A\right)^n## for real n, indicating that a series definition may be necessary.
  • Concerns are raised about the meaning of matrix powers for non-integer exponents, with one participant questioning the interpretation of ##\begin{bmatrix}-1&3\\1&-5\end{bmatrix}^\pi##.
  • A participant proposes that defining matrix powers through the exponential function may be necessary, suggesting that the identity could be seen as a definition rather than a theorem.
  • One participant expresses curiosity about a scalar version of the identity, asking how to prove ##(e^x)^n=e^{nx}## using the power series definition of the exponential function.
  • Another participant suggests proving that ##e^x## satisfies a differential equation and exploring uniqueness through Picard-Lindelöf theory.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the identity for real n, with multiple viewpoints and uncertainties expressed regarding the definitions and implications of matrix and scalar exponentials.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in defining matrix powers for non-integer values and the reliance on the series definition of the exponential function. There are unresolved questions about the uniqueness of solutions in the context of differential equations.

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Starting from the definition of a matrix exponential as a power series, how would we show that ##(e^A)^n=e^{nA}##?

I know how to show that if A and B commute then ##e^Ae^B = e^{A+B}## and from this we can show that the first identity is true for integer values of n, but how can we show it’s true for any real value of n?
 
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Define ##\left(e^A\right)^n## in case ##n\in \mathbb{R}.##
 
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fresh_42 said:
Define ##\left(e^A\right)^n## in case ##n\in \mathbb{R}.##
I was naively imagining the nth power of the infinite sum, but I suppose to define the nth power of a matrix in the first place we would have to use the series definition? So it’s just by definition?
 
I don't know what the the left hand side should be. It makes no sense. What is ##\begin{bmatrix}-1&3\\1&-5\end{bmatrix}^\pi\;?##
 
fresh_42 said:
I don't know what the the left hand side should be. It makes no sense. What is ##\begin{bmatrix}-1&3\\1&-5\end{bmatrix}^\pi\;?##
That’s what I mean, we would have to use the exponential to define it like ##e^{\pi log(\begin{bmatrix}-1&3\\1&-5\end{bmatrix}\;)}## making the “identity” a definition.

I was overlooking that point, thanks.
 
I’m still curious about the scalar analog of the question. I know it’s pointless but I’m just wondering if someone has a solution to the following because I haven’t a clue how to approach it:

Suppose we defined ##e^x## by its power series ##e^x=1+x+0.5x^2+...+\frac{x^n}{n!}+...## (where x is a scalar now not a matrix)

Starting from that definition, how would we prove that ##(e^x)^n=e^{nx}## for any real n?

I’m just curious; there ought to be a way. So if you smart people are bored, then that is my problem to you.
 
I would prove that ##e^x## is a solution of ##y'=y,y'(0)=1## which is obvious, and then show that ##e^{nx}## and ##(e^x)^n## both solve ##y'=ny, y'(0)=n##, and see if Picard Lindelöff applies for uniqueness.
 

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