Scaling a +/-5V Signal to 200mV for a Torque Sensor

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenge of scaling a +/-5V signal from a torque sensor to a maximum input of 200mV for display purposes. Participants explore various methods for achieving this scaling, including the use of voltage dividers, differential amplifiers, and operational amplifiers, while addressing issues related to signal offset and stability.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the torque sensor outputs -5.04V and 4.85V for the same torque value, raising concerns about scaling the signal accurately.
  • Another participant suggests that a differential amplifier could be used, but also mentions that a simple voltage divider might suffice depending on the current available from the sensor.
  • A different viewpoint highlights that some panel display units have built-in scaling features, proposing that this could be a more straightforward solution.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of a stable power supply and decoupling capacitors to minimize output variations, suggesting that these factors could affect the accuracy of the measurements.
  • Another participant discusses the possibility of offsetting the input to accommodate the unmatched output voltages and recommends using 1% tolerance resistors for better accuracy in the circuit design.
  • There is a suggestion to use a divider network followed by a low-distortion buffer amplifier to prevent loading effects on the divider circuit.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the best approach to scale the signal, with some advocating for differential amplifiers and others supporting simpler methods like voltage dividers. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal solution, as multiple competing views are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various factors that could influence the scaling process, such as the stability of the power supply, the choice of resistors, and the potential need for offsetting the input signal. These considerations highlight the complexity of accurately measuring and scaling the sensor output.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to engineers and technicians working with sensor signal processing, particularly those involved in circuit design and measurement accuracy in applied settings.

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i am taking a +/-5 voltage signal is supposed coming from a torque sensor. this is supposed to be equal to 100 N*m. However, -5.04 volts is actually equal to 100 N*m and 4.85 volts is actually equal to 100 N*m. I need to scale this signal to a maximum input of 200 mV for display on a panel meter. I was just going to use a voltage divider going into a noninverting op-amp, but I am not sure what to do now that I know the negative and positive voltage signals don't match, I was told a differential amplifier would work for this, however, I am not quite sure of how to accomplish this, any help would be appreciated.
 
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A differential amp could work but is not required. Depending how much current you have available from the sensor and where you are connecting it, a simple two resistor voltage divider would suffice.

If you want to use an op-amp, then a non-inverting amp configuration could follow the voltage divider network. But you would need a positive and a negative power supply connection for the IC.
 
Many panel display units have built in scalling features. I am familiar with the Omron http://www.omron247.com/Industrial-Automation/Store/OmronFamilyView_10051_10051_-1_11921" It allows for a 2 point linear scaling. This may be a more documentable solution.
 
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Most of the sensors provide an output that is offseted by Vcc/2. Is your sensor based on the same method?

Measuring real life data is not an easy task to accomplish. I've been dealing with this kind of circuits for a couple of years now, so here is my advice for best results:

1. Good power supply with stable output voltage! (output voltage variations are allways caused by unstable powersupply) Hense, use some stabilizing circuits.

2. DECOUPLING DECOUPLING DECOUPLING ! ! ! Place decoupling capacitors as close to the sensor IC as possible, avoid ground layer around the IC etc. Short distances between the circuits = GOOD! Long distances = BAD (remember transmission line theory) parasitics etc. etc.

3. When dealing with unmatched output (i.e 5,04 & 4,85V) you can either offset (by applying the dc to the output) the input (so the output will swing between \frac{5,04+4,85}{2}) or you can use microcontroller or some other means to do so. Just be shure that those unmatched swings are not caused by the way you've configured the IC.

4. Use 1% resistors, if your circuit is modeled correctly and psu variations has nothing to do with unmatched output, then problem can be that you're using >=5% resistors. When modelling sensor-circuits allways use 1% tolerance resistors, such as 1206 or lower series.

Now, for for scaling the output voltage down, I would suggest a divider network followed by a low-distortion buffer amplifier so the circuits after buffer would not load the divider, hence not affecting your read-outs.
 

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