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And I'm sure in your context you will go on believing that.Townsend said:This rather serious thread gets one reply? Is no one concerned about this?
I for one am worried about the people of China...
If they really will use a nuke on the United States then the people of China are in a lot of trouble.
Townsend (hopes that at the very least all the westerners like The Smoking Man would be able to get out of China before it would be to late)
The Smoking Man said:And I'm sure in your context you will go on believing that.
This general stated that he was speaking from his own personal perspective and not as a spokesman of the state.
Kind of like you.
You're sure this has never happened in the USA?
William G. "Jerry" Boyington?
The Smoking Man said:And I'm sure in your context you will go on believing that.
This general stated that he was speaking from his own personal perspective and not as a spokesman of the state.
Kind of like you.
You're sure this has never happened in the USA?
William G. "Jerry" Boyington?
I must say that I am surprised.Townsend said:I am through talking with the likes of you if you cannot refrain from putting words into my mouth. If you want to tell me what I am saying for me and then tell me what you think about what you said I am saying, then why don't you just go argue with the wall?
However, some US-based China experts cautioned that Gen Zhu probably did not represent the mainstream People's Liberation Army view.
“He is running way beyond his brief on what China might do in relation to the US if push comes to shove,” said one expert with knowledge of Gen Zhu. “Nobody who is cleared for information on Chinese war scenarios is going to talk like this,” he added.
Can you point out where I went wrong?Gen Zhu said his views did not represent official Chinese policy and he did not anticipate war with the US.
The Smoking Man said:Can you point out where I went wrong?
Kind of like you
Townsend said:
Pengwuino said:Meh, saber-rattling, nothing more.
Pengwuino said:Meh, saber-rattling, nothing more.
Happeh said:This is not bravado. It is a message. If the USA continues on it's world domination conquest, the Chinese will resort to nuclear war if necessary. You can bank on it.
He expressed his opinion, kind of like you. Didn't you say that was okay on the other thread?Townsend said:yep..when you said:
If you're not trying to tell me what I am saying for me then what do you mean by saying what you did?
Well, now you know what happened with Kim Jong Il and why it is not wise to sabre rattle in front of an unballanced ruler.Townsend said:Right, but it still freaks me out...
The Smoking Man said:He expressed his opinion, kind of like you.
The Smoking Man said:Well, now you know what happened with Kim Jong Il and why it is not wise to sabre rattle in front of an unballanced ruler.
It's called diplomacy.
Townsend said:That is scary...there will be a lot of dead Chinese people, a lot. I am certain that if China launched a nuke at the US we would destroy their entire country in the blink of an eye. I think that is scary and also very sad...
LOL. I love the way the American psyche thinks that NOTHING will get through to them in a war.Townsend said:That is scary...there will be a lot of dead Chinese people, a lot. I am certain that if China launched a nuke at the US we would destroy their entire country in the blink of an eye. I think that is scary and also very sad...
Happeh said:I am curious. Do you say there would be a lot of dead chinese people because that makes you feel better? You think the Chinese would not start a war if the consequences would be lots of dead Chinese people?
I hate to break it to you but that would not stop them. The Chinese have 5 billion people. Someone could blow up 3 billion of them. So what? Plenty more where they came from.
If there was a nuclear war, where someone thought they would be victor, I think the entire planet would be dead.
We have more than enough to completely destroy anyone and everyone.It would take too many nukes to ensure destruction of the other side.
The nuclear winter would get every left.
Don't be naive about this...there would be no hope of a limited exchange unless the Chinese gave up early on. I know for a fact that the US would not stop, no way in hell. And that is not something I am proud of.I think it is much more likely that there would be a limited nuclear exchange.
please...save your diatribe about the US. This is not about who is right and who is wrong.Bullies never stop until someone stands up and punches them in the nose. I don't think the guys in control of the USA right now will stop until someone punches them in the nose.
If it ever did happen. It would be a limited nuclear exchange where China probably blows up Okinawa, the USA contingents in japan and korea, and the 4 or 5 carrier battle groups off of china.
yeah, and about 100 20 to 50 megaton trident missiles (there goes 75 percent of the pop) coming from subs, who knows how many ICBMs and the list goes on. The stock pile of nuclear arms is enough to turn Earth into a small star...The USA would counter with blowing up a few Chinese cities. Like I said. So what. Then they would both realize they were both serious. They would make a pact to divide the world up like in George Orwells book. EastAsia, EurAsia and the Americas.
If you are sitting there nervous. Why? Why do that to yourself? Nothing you can do can change it. I talked about those WMD lies for literally years as did lots of other people. Those criminals got away with everything. Instead of sitting around chewing your nails, why not feel happy? Just go do whatever makes you happy and don't think about politics. If there was a nuclear war, you would never know. You would be watching TV one minute and the next you would be ash. Why worry about something you won't even know is happening? Your brain would be crisp before you could think "Oh my god! I just got nuked!" ;)
The Smoking Man said:LOL. I love the way the American psyche thinks that NOTHING will get through to them in a war.
Remember, this is NOT Iraq and you do not know what provisions have been made for war by the Chinese.
Yes, you became unnerved when you heard a Chinese General talked about a nuclear strike on the USA.Townsend said:I don't follow what you mean, could you explain it some more?
I have not read the rest of this post yet but feel I must already apologize for an assumption I made ... that you were taking an aggressive stance against the people of China.Townsend said:No, I say it because I would feel terrible for such a lose of human life...from what I have seen a typical person in China is a very peaceful person, I don't want to see such a great country and it's people destroyed.
Just a bit of trivia ... the Chinese have 1.3 billion people and the whole Earth has about 6 billion (India has about a billion too)Happeh said:I hate to break it to you but that would not stop them. The Chinese have 5 billion people. Someone could blow up 3 billion of them. So what? Plenty more where they came from.
I fear a similar thing would happen the world over should the US launch too.Townsend said:You assume more than you should...I am not the politican in charge but I can about imagine what would happen should a nuke ever go off on US soil.
The Smoking Man said:I fear a similar thing would happen the world over should the US launch too.
This is the arms race all over again but a slightly different perspective.
Then you understand only slightly what it is to be Chinese and the concept of 'face'.Townsend said:Don't be naive about this...there would be no hope of a limited exchange unless the Chinese gave up early on. I know for a fact that the US would not stop, no way in hell. And that is not something I am proud of.
The Smoking Man said:Then you understand only slightly what it is to be Chinese and the concept of 'face'.
China was in fact perfectly happy over the last 30 yers to leave Taiwan alone and doing it's thing.
It wasn't until the new president started making noise about declaring independence that the Chinese began to react.
Wven Bush told them to shut the F up and not push things.
To tell you the truth, I don't think China would have ever acted when they were getting all the industry (and still are) from Taiwan built on their soil.
It was Chen who spit in their face and caused the reaction.
Yeah, Id say move away from the question of independence and push business.Townsend said:Your right, I don't know a lot about the Chinese. You are in a much better position to understand them and so I will take you as the subject matter expert, unless someone more qualified comes along.
Do you think there is any way to settle this thing without China invading?
edward said:At least for now.
Your autos are only used for domestic consumption though.edward said:We are manufacturing:
automobiles ( except those made in Mexico)
computerchips
toilet paper
computer paper
cardboard to be sent to China
The Smoking Man said:US DOD for missile tracking. (http://news.com.com/Lenovo+links+wi...3-5779732.html?part=rss&tag=5779732&subj=news)
Well, this is what I found so absurd about the whole situation of banning the sale of an oil company and yet buying blade systems through Lenovo.Townsend said:
I was under the impression that military equipment had to me made in the USA. Well, not all of it of course but a part for missile tracking being made by China? That just does not sit well with me.
But thanks for the link...