Science experiment- light and magnetic fields

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the exploration of how magnetic fields might affect photons, particularly in the context of a science experiment. Participants consider various theoretical and experimental approaches, including the potential for bending light using electromagnetic fields and the implications of phenomena like the Faraday effect and the Kerr effect.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • Mack expresses interest in how magnetic fields might bend light and suggests a hypothetical scenario where a strong electromagnetic field could break photons into charged particles.
  • One participant notes that the magnetic field strength required to affect photons significantly is likely beyond home experimentation capabilities and suggests a simpler experiment using magnets and a laser pointer to demonstrate that magnetic fields do not bend light.
  • Another participant mentions that creating electron-positron pairs requires high-energy gamma rays, which are not easily accessible.
  • Mack clarifies a desire to conduct a more complex experiment involving electromagnetic radiation in magnetic fields, indicating access to a university lab.
  • A quote from the University of Illinois Department of Physics states that fixed magnetic fields have no effect on light in a vacuum and only negligible effects in most materials, while also introducing the Faraday effect as a phenomenon where magnetic fields can affect light propagation in certain materials.
  • Mack expresses interest in the Faraday effect and seeks to understand its relation to the Kerr effect, which another participant describes as affecting the refractive index of materials, while noting the differences between the two effects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that significant effects of magnetic fields on light are unlikely in a vacuum and that certain materials may exhibit effects like the Faraday effect. However, there is no consensus on the feasibility of Mack's initial hypothesis regarding bending light with magnetic fields or the specifics of the relationship between the Faraday and Kerr effects.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations regarding the strength of magnetic fields and the energy required for certain particle interactions. There is also uncertainty about the relationship between different optical effects and their underlying causes.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students interested in experimental physics, particularly those exploring the interactions between light and magnetic fields, as well as those studying optical phenomena like the Faraday and Kerr effects.

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Hello, I'm in 9th grade looking for some interesting topics to do my science experiment on this year. I'm particularly interested in how magnetic fields affect photons. I know photons are electrically neutral but I'm looking for some "what if?" types of questions. I think somehow being able to bend light using electromagnetic fields would be amazing.

I would be thrilled if you could have a discussion regarding light and magnetic fields in this thread.
Such as creating an EM field strong enough to break a photon down to an electron and positron, which would then allow it to have a charge, further allowing it to be bent.

Thanks,

-Mack
 
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The strength of a magnetic field required to cause any significant effects in photons is far beyond what you can create at home to my knowledge. But if I might suggest something, could you not do an experiment using magnets and a laser pointer and "verify" that magnetic fields do not bend light within the extent that you can measure them? (And then explain why using valid math or something) I've actually never been in a science fair, so I don't know the "requirements" for an experiment.
 
You would also need 1 MeV gamma rays to create electron positron pairs. Those are not easy to come by.
 
Thanks for replies. I am not going to limit my experiment to just shooting a laser at a magnet and tell what happens. I would like to test and explain what happens to electromagnet radiation while in the presence of a magnetic field. I have access to a university lab if need be, I want to do something I can't at home.
 
Here's a quote from a Q&A on the University of Illinois Department of Physics page:

Actually, fixed magnetic fields have no effect on light propagating through a vacuum and (even for rather large field strengths) negligible effect on light propagating through most materials. Quark-antiquark pairs form another category of particle (meson) altogether, not light. Light is not composed of charged particles.

The interesting cases where magnetic fields do affect light propagation are in materials exhibiting the Faraday effect. In these materials, a magnetic field can change the way the charged particles (mainly electrons) respond to the light electromagnetic field. As a result, the polarization of the light (the plane in which the electric field points) rotates as the light propagates through the material. The direction of rotation depends on which way the field points.

Here's the link: http://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=409

Perhaps you could do something using a material exhibiting the Faraday effect?
 
Drakkith said:
Here's a quote from a Q&A on the University of Illinois Department of Physics page:



Here's the link: http://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=409

Perhaps you could do something using a material exhibiting the Faraday effect?

Ah, thanks for that! I actually was reading about the Faraday effect early today. I'm not quite sure if I entirely understood it but I would like to include that in my experiment.

I also was reading about the Kerr effect. Is that in anyways related to Faraday effect?
 
Not sure. It looks like the Kerr effect causes the refractive index to change in a material, while the Faraday effect causes polarization of light through a material. I don't know if the two are caused by the reasons, but I'd say they are related.

Edit: FYI the Kerr effect is caused by an electric field, while the Faraday effect is caused by a magnetic field.
 

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