Scientific Laws for Engineering Materials

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the classification of laws and relationships that describe the behavior of engineering materials, distinguishing them from fundamental scientific laws like gravity and electromagnetism. Participants explore terminology and conceptual frameworks related to physical property relationships in engineering contexts.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether there is a specific name for laws governing engineering materials, distinct from fundamental scientific laws.
  • Another participant explains that the fundamental physical laws apply universally, while empirical physical property equations describe specific material behaviors, referred to as physical property relationships.
  • There is a discussion about the classification of various formulas used in engineering mechanics, including those for translational, rotational, fluid, electrical, thermal systems, and their relation to fundamental laws.
  • Participants suggest terms like "physical property relationships" and "idealized material behavior models" but note that there may not be an official name for these concepts.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the term "derived" and seeks clarification on what these relationships are derived from.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the existence of physical property relationships but do not reach consensus on a specific terminology to classify them distinctly from fundamental laws. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the naming conventions for these relationships.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the official terminology for engineering material laws and the distinction between fundamental laws and empirical relationships. There are references to various physical properties and their equations, but no consensus on a unified naming convention is achieved.

sawer
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I have a conceptual question.

There is a law in science for every phenomenon in nature, like gravity or electric field.

But also there are laws for springs or capacitors etc... I mean the engineering materials that are produced by engineering processes, not can be found in the nature itself. Is there a name for those types of laws, the name that indicates the difference from other scientific laws?
 
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The fundamental physical laws apply to all materials. The relationships that describe the macroscopic behavior of each specific material in various physical situations are empirical physical property equations developed from experimental data. These are called physical property relationships. Examples are Ohm's law (resistance), Hooke's law (both 1D springs and 3D solids, Young's modulus, Poisson ratio), heat capacity, thermal conductivity, etc.

Chet
 
Chestermiller said:
These are called physical property relationships.
Physical property relationships of what?
Engineering materials.

In engineering mechanics lesson for engineering students, formulas for translational, rotational, fluid, electrical, thermal systems are given in a table with an analogy.

I am asking about these formulas. These formulas are related with engineering systems and materials, they are not like gravity and electromagnetism... Is there a special name for those formulas? How can we name it?
 
sawer said:
Physical property relationships of what?
Engineering materials.
Yes.
In engineering mechanics lesson for engineering students, formulas for translational, rotational, fluid, electrical, thermal systems are given in a table with an analogy.

Translational and rotational follow directly from Newton's second law, which applies to all materials. So they are fundamental.

Physical Property Relationships

Fluids: Newtonian fluid constitutive equation in tensorial form...Physical property = viscosity

Electrical:
Ohm's law...Physical property = resistance
Capacitors...Capacitance
Inductors,,,,,,,,,Inductance

Solid Mechanics: Hooke's law in tensorial form, Physical properties = Young's modulus, Poisson ratio

Heat Transfer: Heat conduction equation, property = thermal conductivity

Mass Transfer: Fick's law, property = diffusion coefficient

Flow in Porous Media: Darcy's law, property = hydraulic permeability

etc., etc.

Do you get the idea now?

Chet
 
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Almost. Thank you very much. Just one question.
Chestermiller said:
Translational and rotational follow directly from Newton's second law, which applies to all materials. So they are fundamental.
OK. You said these are "fundamental".
Chestermiller said:
Physical Property Relationships

Fluids: Newtonian fluid constitutive equation in tensorial form...Physical property = viscosity

Electrical:
Ohm's law...Physical property = resistance
Capacitors...Capacitance
Inductors,,,,,,,,,Inductance

Solid Mechanics: Hooke's law in tensorial form, Physical properties = Young's modulus, Poisson ratio

Heat Transfer: Heat conduction equation, property = thermal conductivity

Mass Transfer: Fick's law, property = diffusion coefficient

Flow in Porous Media: Darcy's law, property = hydraulic permeability

etc., etc.
So what can we name for those? Derived? (Derived may be too simple) Derived of/from what?
This is all I was trying to asking.
 
sawer said:
Almost. Thank you very much. Just one question.

OK. You said these are "fundamental".

So what can we name for those? Derived? (Derived may be too simple) Derived of what?
This is all I was trying to asking.
I don't think they have an official name. I call them either physical property relationships or idealized material behavior models. You can call them what you want. The important point is that you understand that they are models of material behavior rather than fundamental laws of physics.

Chet
 
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