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The discussion centers on understanding Bland's proof of the Second Isomorphism Theorem for rings, particularly the identification of the kernel as \(I_1/I_2\). Participants clarify that the identity of the quotient ring \(R/I_1\) is the coset containing zero, \(I_1\), while the multiplicative identity is \(1_R + I_1\). They emphasize that quotient rings are defined through the additive group, which leads to confusion regarding the multiplicative identity. The conversation highlights the distinction between additive and multiplicative identities in the context of rings and ideals. Overall, the thread seeks to clarify foundational concepts in ring theory related to isomorphisms and quotient structures.
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I am reading "The Basics of Abstract Algebra" by Paul E. Bland ... ...

I am currently focused on Chapter 3: Sets with Two Binary Operations: Rings ... ...

I need help with Bland's proof of the Second Isomorphism Theorem for rings ...

Bland's Second Isomorphism Theorem for rings and its proof read as follows:
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In the above proof by Bland we read the following:

" ... ... This map is easily shown to be a well defined ring homomorphism with kernel $$I_1/I_2$$. ... ... "I can see that $$f$$ is a ring homomorphism ... but how do we prove that the kernel is $$I_1/I_2$$ ... ... ?Hope someone can help ...

Peter
 
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Hi Peter,

The identity of $R/I_1$ is $I_1$. $\ker f$ contains the cosets $x+I_2$ such that $x+I_1 = I_1$, which means that $x\in I_1$.

This shows that $\ker f$ is the set of cosets $\{(x+I_2)\mid x\in I_1\}$, which is $I_1/I_2$.
 
castor28 said:
Hi Peter,

The identity of $R/I_1$ is $I_1$. $\ker f$ contains the cosets $x+I_2$ such that $x+I_1 = I_1$, which means that $x\in I_1$.

This shows that $\ker f$ is the set of cosets $\{(x+I_2)\mid x\in I_1\}$, which is $I_1/I_2$.
Thanks for the help, castor28 ...

But just a point of clarification ...

You write: " ... ... The identity of $R/I_1$ is $I_1$ ... ... "Surely the identity of $$R/I_1$$ is the coset $$1_R + I_1$$ because $$(a + I_1) ( 1_R + I_1 ) = a 1_R + I_1 = a + I_1$$ ... and similarly $$( 1_R + I_1 ) ( a + I_1) = a + I_1$$ ...

Can you please clarify ...

Peter
 
Peter said:
Thanks for the help, castor28 ...

But just a point of clarification ...

You write: " ... ... The identity of $R/I_1$ is $I_1$ ... ... "Surely the identity of $$R/I_1$$ is the coset $$1_R + I_1$$ because $$(a + I_1) ( 1_R + I_1 ) = a 1_R + I_1 = a + I_1$$ ... and similarly $$( 1_R + I_1 ) ( a + I_1) = a + I_1$$ ...

Can you please clarify ...

Peter
Hi Peter,

Quotient rings are defined in terms of the additive group; that is why cosets of an ideal $I$ are written as $x+I$. The identity of the additive group is $0$, and the identity of $R/I$ is the coset containing $0$, which is obviously $I$. The kernel is defined as the inverse image of the identity of the additive group.

The coset $1+I$ is the multiplicative identity of the quotient ring $R/I$.
 
castor28 said:
Hi Peter,

Quotient rings are defined in terms of the additive group; that is why cosets of an ideal $I$ are written as $x+I$. The identity of the additive group is $0$, and the identity of $R/I$ is the coset containing $0$, which is obviously $I$. The kernel is defined as the inverse image of the identity of the additive group.

The coset $1+I$ is the multiplicative identity of the quotient ring $R/I$.

Thanks castor28 ...

Hmm ... beginning to understand what you are saying ...

Still concerned and a bit confused ...

Surely $$R/I$$ is a ring under the addition and multiplication of cosets ...
and hence has a (multiplicative) identity as I described ..

But the definition of cosets of course involves only addition ...

Is that correct?

Peter
 
Peter said:
Thanks castor28 ...

Hmm ... beginning to understand what you are saying ...

Still concerned and a bit confused ...

Surely $$R/I$$ is a ring under the addition and multiplication of cosets ...
and hence has a (multiplicative) identity as I described ..

But the definition of cosets of course involves only addition ...

Is that correct?

Peter
Hi Peter,

Yes, that is correct.

If $I$ is a subgroup (necessarily normal) of the additive group of $R$, the quotient group $R/I$ is an additive group, and there is a canonical group homomorphism $f:R\to R/I$ that sends $x\in R$ to the coset $x+I$. The additive identity of $R/I$ is the coset $0+I=I$. $\ker f$ is the inverse image of that coset.

If we add the stronger condition that $I$ is an ideal of $R$, then it can be shown that multiplication of cosets is well-defined, and $f$ is also a ring homomorphism.

Note, however, that $R$ is not a group under multiplication (unless it is trivial); therefore, the (group-related) concept of kernel cannot be based on the multiplicative structure.
 
The well-definedness of the ring-homomorphism is explained to you in this thread:
https://mathhelpboards.com/linear-abstract-algebra-14/quotient-rings-remarks-adkins-weintraub-23836.html?highlight=adkins
 

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