Does Gravity Invalidate the Second Law of Thermodynamics?

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In a closed system, disorder is said to always increase, but gravitational forces can create order by causing matter to stick together. This leads to claims that the second law of thermodynamics is invalid. However, the discussion highlights that introducing external energy sources, like gravitational potential, means the system is not closed. Critics argue that misunderstanding the law does not invalidate it, and the request for a "Noble" prize is seen as misguided. Overall, the conversation underscores the importance of accurately applying thermodynamic principles.
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Says, in a closed system disorder is always increasing, more or less.

But with gravitational forces, matters are sticking together--creating order.

Thus the law=invalid

Can I get my Noble?
 
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Why do you not apply your theory to say, a collapsing cloud of hydrogen ? Maybe you will find free energy coming out !
 
Since you only asked one question, maybe.

I'm not sure what a Noble is so you may get one, but you certainly won't receive a Nobel of any sort for the statements you made.
 
SELFMADE said:
Thus the law=invalid
You should be careful about claiming a law is invalid when you haven't understood the law yet.
The effect that you mention transforms potential energy into very disorder kinetic energy.
 
SELFMADE said:
Says, in a closed system disorder is always increasing, more or less.

But with gravitational forces, matters are sticking together--creating order.

Thus the law=invalid

Can I get my Noble?

This is rather silly.

The fact that you have an external source of energy via the gravitational potential implies automatically that this is NOT a closed system. If you write the partition function without including such possible energy state, then your function is an incomplete description of the system.

Zz.
 
SELFMADE said:
Says, in a closed system disorder is always increasing, more or less.

But with gravitational forces, matters are sticking together--creating order.

Thus the law=invalid

Can I get my Noble?
Someone already locked this, but I had to bring it to everyone's attention: Nothing more classic than a crackpot asking for a "Noble" prize!
 
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