Second Order Differential Equation to show s = ut +(1/2)at^2

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating the equation s = ut + (1/2)at^2, starting from the second-order differential equation d²s/dt² = a. The original poster presents initial conditions and relationships involving constants u and a.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore integration techniques to derive velocity and position equations from acceleration. There is discussion about the role of initial conditions and constants of integration, particularly regarding the initial velocity u0.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning the assumptions made in the problem statement and exploring different approaches to integrate the equations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of initial conditions, but no consensus has been reached on the correct interpretation of the constants involved.

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There is uncertainty about the initial conditions and whether the problem statement adequately accounts for the initial velocity. Participants are considering how limits affect the constants of integration.

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Homework Statement




If d^2s/dt^2 = a, given that ds/dt = u and s = 0, when t = 0, where a, u are constants

show that s = ut + .5at^2



2. The attempt at a solution

du/dt = a

cross multiplying and then integrating and we get

u = at

ds/dt = at

cross multiply and integrate

s = .5at^2

using limits when t = 0 then s = 0

I can't seem to get out the constant u
 
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could you maybe use v = u + at ? and say v = u + at but v = ds/dt

so ds/dt = u + at

cross multiplying and integrating and you get

s = ut + .5at^2
 
Woolyabyss said:
could you maybe use v = u + at ?
Yes, but first you need to derive this from the starting equality d2s/dt2 = a.
 
CAF123 said:
Yes, but first you need to derive this from the starting equality d2s/dt2 = a.

I'm not sure how though could I say dv/dt = a

and then I'd get v = at but I just can't seem to get the u.
 
Woolyabyss said:
cross multiplying and then integrating and we get
u = at
After integration there's a constant. Say the initial velocity is u0, then

u = at + u0

The problem statement seems a bit off, if u = ds/dt, then there needs to be a constant for initial velocity in the equation such as u0:

s = u0 t + 1/2 a t^2
 
rcgldr said:
After integration there's a constant. Say the initial velocity is u0, then

u = at + u0

The problem statement seems a bit off, if u = ds/dt, then there needs to be a constant for initial velocity in the equation such as u0:

s = u0 t + 1/2 a t^2

But would using the limits not eliminate the constant of integration?
 
Woolyabyss said:
But would using the limits not eliminate the constant of integration?
The goal here is to produce a quadratic equation, not an intergral with limits.
 
rcgldr said:
The goal here is to produce a quadratic equation, not an intergral with limits.

I got now thanks.
 

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