Second-order linear voltage equation

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The discussion focuses on solving a second-order linear voltage equation for a circuit with given parameters. The initial conditions for voltage and current at t=0+ are critical for determining the constants A and B in the solution. Participants emphasize the importance of understanding the behavior of the circuit components (resistor, inductor, and capacitor) immediately after the voltage switch from 150V to 300V. The correct differential equation to solve is v'' + 2v' + 10v = 3000, and initial conditions must be carefully evaluated to find v(0+) and v'(0+). The conversation highlights the need for clarity on current flow through the components to derive the solution accurately.
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Homework Statement


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vs = 300 (t>0)
vs = 150 (t<0)
v(0+)≠0
i(0+)≠0
R=50ohm
L=10H
C=1/100F

Determine v(t) when t>0

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I wrote node voltage equation
(1/R)*v+(1/L)∫(v-vs)dt+C.(dv/dt)=0

First I do is get derivation to two sides of the equation to escape the integral, after that, replace all known datas, I got the equation
v''+2v+10v=10vs
So we have A(s)=s2+2s+10=0 ⇔ s=-1±3i
v(t)=vn+vp
which vn = 150V (cause we have t>0)
→ v(t)=150 + e^{-t}.(Acos3t+Bsin3t)

I am stucking on the way to find A and B constants, all I can do is below
v(0+)=150+A
v(0+)'=-A+3B
 
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EDIT: determine the initial conditions v (0+) and dv/dt (0+) and then solve your differential equation with those two initial conditions.

You should be able to determine v(0+) and v'(0+) by inspecting the diagram. v(0+) is fairly obvious (voltage cannot change instantaneously across a capacitor) but v'(0+) requires some thought.

Hint: i = C dv/dt. What is initial current thru the capacitor?

Second hint: your equation to solve is
v'' + 2v' + 10 = 10Vs = 3000. The 150V for t < 0 does not come into the equation directly as you have shown.

Your equation for v is actually almost correct except for the "150". But you need to work on the initial conditions. When you have those you can determine A and B.
 
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So my correct equation for v(t) should be v(t)= 300 + e^{-t}.(Asin3t+Bcos3t), right ?
First hint : i(0+)=C.d(v0+)/dt ?
Second hint : I think the equation should be v'' + 2v' + 10v = 3000, but what is the reason to solve it ?
 
ongxom said:
So my correct equation for v(t) should be v(t)= 300 + e^{-t}.(Asin3t+Bcos3t), right ?
right
First hint : i(0+)=C.d(v0+)/dt ?
can you use that to determine v'(0+)? Think about what the currents are doing going thru L, R and C just after the switch is thrown at t = 0+.
Second hint : I think the equation should be v'' + 2v' + 10v = 3000, but what is the reason to solve it ?

Well, by now you already have solved part of it. I just meant that's the full equation you need to solve. And you haven't until you figured out A and B.

Now you need to finish up by solving for A and B given the initial conditions on v and v'.
 
rude man said:
right

can you use that to determine v'(0+)? Think about what the currents are doing going thru L, R and C just after the switch is thrown at t = 0+.

I am stucking at this point. Have no idea for it .
 
ongxom said:
I am stucking at this point. Have no idea for it .

1. Have you come up with v(0+) yet?

2. What is the current thru the inductor just before switching the source from 150V to 300V, i.e. t = 0-?
What is the current thru R at that time?
What is the current into C? (Obviously zero since the source had been = 150V for a long time).

OK, so now we switch the source voltage from 150V to 300V and it's t = t(0+). What now is the current thru L and R? And C?
Then, iC = C dv/dt. Doesn't that tell you what v'(0+) = dv/dt at t = t(0+) must be?
 
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