Seeking Advice on Increasing Electric Motor Power Output

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of increasing the power output of a small electric motor used as a generator for a model wind turbine. Participants explore various ideas related to the mechanics of counter-rotation, the efficiency of turbine designs, and the practical implications of implementing such systems.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that counter-rotating the magnets or stator opposite to the armature could increase the relative speed and thus the generated power.
  • Others argue that while this might theoretically increase power, the practical implementation would be complicated, suggesting that gearing up the rotor speed would be a simpler solution.
  • One participant mentions the idea of using contra-rotating turbine blades to optimize power generation in low wind conditions, referencing aeronautical designs that utilize this concept.
  • A later reply questions the initial interpretation of the counter-rotation idea, clarifying that having two sets of turbines rotating in opposite directions could be beneficial for balance and torque, rather than solely for increasing speed.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential for confusion regarding the mechanics of rotation and the importance of maintaining relative motion between the rotor and stator to generate electricity.
  • Participants express interest in measuring and comparing the performance of a single turbine versus a counter-rotating turbine setup to evaluate feasibility and efficiency.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the practicality and effectiveness of counter-rotation in increasing power output. Multiple competing views remain regarding the mechanics and potential benefits of the proposed designs.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the complexity of implementing counter-rotation systems, the need for additional components like slip rings, and the dependence on specific turbine designs and conditions for optimal performance.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to students and hobbyists in electrical engineering, renewable energy enthusiasts, and those exploring innovative designs for wind turbine systems.

  • #31


Moving on (a lot)

I was looking today at ebikes. Electric bycycles. Basically a regular push bike with an electric motor in one of the hubs and a battery pack. I find these motors are designed to produce power and also collect power on braking. As much generators as they are motors.
(I know all elecric motors can "in theory" be generators but some are more suited than others) Being bike hub mounted these motors are specially designed for very low rpm reqiuring no gearing. They are very flat , light and compact. Typically operating smoothly from 50 rpm to 450rpm It actually strikes me now that these motors seem highly suited for wind turbine use. Even the technology around producing alloy or carbon fibre bike wheels is similar to that in constructing turbine blades.
I wonder give it a couple of years and I bet the people making electric bikes will also be making wind turbines. It makes sense, if you have facilities to build one you can also build the other! You can reduce costs of developing the motors if there are 2 applications for then and you can sell more.
 
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  • #32


geebee said:
I believe the large 3 blade turbines can and do kill birds. The blades may only turn at 40rpm but when the things are up to 80 metres across the speed at the tips is considerable.
A bird will atempt to fly through the turbine, misjudge the speed and get clouted. Small wind turbines that wizz around faster are much less of a problem. A bird will not fly into a blur of fast moving blades, a bird can and will fly around / aviod it. Something 50 to 80 metres across which apears to be turning slowly the bird will try to fly through. That is the problem. I would expect though a small turbine in the back garden would be somewaht of a scarecrow. Birds would more avoid your garden.
I don't know about those birds.
Not only do they try to fly thru my windows they try to fly thru the side of my house as well.
I have to wonder how many fly into the trees around here.
You might think I would have a collection of dead birds, but so far the count is zero.
It's worse in the spring when I might get a half dozen bird strikes a day.
I've watched them fly in and hear the thud as they hit the side of the house thru the open window.
 

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