Seeking books that cover my upcoming math course

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The discussion revolves around recommendations for alternative textbooks for a mathematics analysis course (MATH 522) that covers topics such as compactness, contraction principles, approximation theory, special functions, Fourier series, and differential forms. The original poster expresses dissatisfaction with the required textbook, Rudin's "Principles of Mathematical Analysis," and seeks suggestions for other resources.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants recommend "How to Think About Analysis" by Alcock as a preparatory read, despite it not being an analysis textbook.
  • Multiple participants advocate for Lang's "Undergraduate Analysis," suggesting it is superior to Rudin's text and covers relevant topics.
  • One participant expresses a preference for Hairer and Wanner's books, citing their clarity and insights compared to Rudin.
  • Another participant mentions Berberian's "Fundamentals of Real Analysis" as a useful resource, although it is noted that it focuses on measure and integration rather than the calculus of normed spaces.
  • There is a discussion about the coverage of topics in Lang's "Undergraduate Analysis," with some participants asserting it includes compactness and differential forms, while others express skepticism based on personal preferences.
  • Concerns are raised about the abstract nature of Lang's second book, "Real and Functional Analysis," and whether it builds on the first book effectively.
  • Participants share differing opinions on Rudin's teaching style, with some finding it tedious and lacking insight, while others consider it scholarly.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best alternative textbooks, as preferences vary widely. Some advocate for specific books while others express differing opinions on their effectiveness and coverage of the course topics.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion includes personal preferences and experiences with the textbooks, which may not reflect the suitability of the books for all learners. There are also mentions of specific topics covered in various texts, but no definitive agreement on the completeness or quality of coverage.

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Hello!

I am currently searching for some alternative books I can use for the analysis course starting on this Fall Semester. The course will cover the compactness, contraction principles, approximation theory, and some applications like special functions and Fourier series. The required textbook is Rudin-PMA, but I do not like that book. Could you recommend some alternative books that cover those topics?

The sample syllabus of the course (MATH 522) is here:
http://www.math.wisc.edu/sites/default/files/521-522_0_1.pdf
 
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mathwonk said:
lang's undergraduate analysis, ALSO LISTED ON YOUR SYLLABUS, IS MUCH BETTER THAN RUDIN. TRY THAT. oops, darn caps lock.

here's one for $10:

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=lang&sts=t&tn=undergraduate+analysis

I meant MATH 522, which will cover topics like compactness, approximation theory, differential forms, Stoke's theorem, etc. The Math 521, which I already took, covers standard topics in Rudin and Lang (by the way, I did not like Lang's Undergraduate Analysis et al.)...my favorites are Hairer/Wanner and Rudin.
 
bacte2013 said:
I meant MATH 522, which will cover topics like compactness, approximation theory, differential forms, Stoke's theorem, etc. The Math 521, which I already took, covers standard topics in Rudin and Lang (by the way, I did not like Lang's Undergraduate Analysis et al.)...my favorites are Hairer/Wanner and Rudin.

The name is Stokes, not Stoke. So it's Stokes' Theorem. Very common error.
 
I am a little puzzled as to my knowledge Lang's Undergraduate analysis does cover all those topics, compactness very early, and stokes very late, including the differential forms case. my old copy of the book is from its inception, when it was titled Analysis I, but the table of contents I viewed of UA apparently had the same topics. But if you prefer Rudin to Lang, I think I should not advise you since our tastes are so different. yes here is a link, compactness on page 193, differential forms and stokes on page 607:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0387948414/?tag=pfamazon01-20

and as spivak points out, the theorem, although published by stokes, seems due to lord kelvin. i thank you for pointing out the very scholarly looking book by hairer and wanner, which was unknown to me. some people might call rudin scholarly as well, but to me "tedious" is more descriptive. whereas rudin seems never to give insight, hairer and wanner do, e.g. when before their proof of existence of the riemann integral of a continuous function, they observe that the key point is uniform continuity.
 
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micromass said:
The name is Stokes, not Stoke. So it's Stokes' Theorem. Very common error.

I see...Also, sometimes I noticed that some books addressed names of mathematicians different from standard. For example, Engelking's Topology: A Geometric Appaora
mathwonk said:
I am a little puzzled as to my knowledge Lang's Undergraduate analysis does cover all those topics, compactness very early, and stokes very late, including the differential forms case. my old copy of the book is from its inception, when it was titled Analysis I, but the table of contents I viewed of UA apparently had the same topics. But if you prefer Rudin to Lang, I think I should not advise you since our tastes are so different. yes here is a link, compactness on page 193, differential forms and stokes on page 607:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0387948414/?tag=pfamazon01-20

and as spivak points out, the theorem, although published by stokes, seems due to lord kelvin. i thank you for pointing out the very scholarly looking book by hairer and wanner, which was unknown to me. some people might call rudin scholarly as well, but to me "tedious" is more descriptive. whereas rudin seems never to give insight, hairer and wanner do, e.g. when before their proof of existence of the riemann integral of a continuous function, they observe that the key point is uniform continuity.

It is fine. I actually find Barbarian's Fundamentals of Real Analysis + Kolmogorov/Fomin books to cover what I need. They go beyond Lang and Rudin in terms of compactness, approximation theory, etc.

Personally, I think Hairer/Wanner can be a great book to start learning analysis, compared to contemporary books like Rudin, Lang, Strichartz, so on. It is a gem that describes details like approximation of numbers that I did not learn from other books. Perhaps my opinion is based as I found historical approach to be very entertaining.
 
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yes i like berberian's book as well, but it is essentilly a book on measure and integration, not calculus of normed spaces as lang's is. it does not cover differential forms or stokes. it does cover compactness in metric spaces, characterizing it as equivalent to "complete and totally bounded", a theorem i also enjoyed as a student. but lang proves all the basic results in his setting, equating the henie borel, bolzano weierstrass, and closedness and boundeness properties. i agree that berberian writes in a more careful user friendly way than lang, as perhaps do hairer and wanner, and kolmogorov fomin, but i do not recommend rudin as at all in this company.
 
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mathwonk said:
yes i like berberian's book as well, but it is essentilly a book on measure and integration, not calculus of normed spaces as lang's is. it does not cover differential forms or stokes. it does cover compactness in metric spaces, characterizing it as equivalent to "complete and totally bounded", a theorem i also enjoyed as a student. but lang proves all the basic results in his setting, equating the henie borel, bolzano weierstrass, and closedness and boundeness properties. i agree that berberian writes in a more careful user friendly way than lang, as perhaps do hairer and wanner, and kolmogorov fomin, but i do not recommend rudin as at all in this company.

I found that Lang also wrote "Real and Functional Analysis". It seems to cover concepts like Banach space and differential forms too, and I am curious if that book builds upon his undergraduate analysis. If I buy Lang's Undergraduate Analysis, can I assume that I can skip the first section and start from the second section? It seems that the first section is basically the advanced calculus, which is more than sufficiently covered by H/W.

I do agree that Rudin is not a good textbook (after reading that book, all I remembered was a set of definition, theorems and proofs that I could not make a connection). I actually got an opportunity to do a reading course in the complex analysis, and I first thought about Rudin-RCA, but I chose Barry Simmons' two-volume set as his books emphasize topology and covers interesting topics from number theory. That is good as I love topology so much (I still read and read again topology books by Singer/Thorpe and Engelking).
 
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Lang's two books were originally titled Analysis I and Analysis II, so he did mean the second one as a continuation of the first. I like the first better, and find the second one very abstract and difficult. Still his treatment of measure theory and integration there, although abstract, is insightful. One thing I dislike is his insistence on using Banach space valued functions, as Dieudonne' did. This just makes it harder to learn, and does not add anything. True, the arguments are almost the same, but in that situation I recommend learning the elementary version and then just saying that, for those who know about Banach spaces, the generalization is the same, rather than encumbering the first encounter with the full generality.

I myself would not skip any of Lang's first volume, since he may well make some things you may already know seem even more clear and simple than other books do. I myself like to keep relearning and restudying things until they reduce in my mind to elementary principles.
 

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