Selection Rules (Electric Dipole)

In summary, the conversation is about a confusing problem on electric dipole transitions in a GRE Physics exam. The problem involves an excited atom emitting a photon, with spin not contributing to the energy. The question also mentions delta j and delta n and how they contribute to the energy. The experts discuss how some problems on the GRE may be too esoteric and that there may be incorrect analyses in standard textbooks. Overall, it is agreed that the problem is difficult but the answer is likely correct.
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Hi, I have a question on selection rules for electric dipole transitions. It has to do with a GRE Physics exam question that's confusing a number of students at grephysics.net ... if any of the quantum guru's here would like to help, please check it out at http://grephysics.yosunism.com/disp.php?yload=prob&serial=1&prob=92

thank you.
 
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The problem has to do with an excited atom that emits a photon. Spin doesn't contribute to the energy and so cannot provide a reason for a photon to be emitted. Intuitively, spin just doesn't get you going in the direction you need to go.

This wouldn't be the case if you were in a strong magnetic field, by the way.

Carl
 
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what about delta j and delta n?

CarlB said:
The problem has to do with an excited atom that emits a photon. Spin doesn't contribute to the energy and so cannot provide a reason for a photon to be emitted. Intuitively, spin just doesn't get you going in the direction you need to go.
This wouldn't be the case if you were in a strong magnetic field, by the way.
Carl
 
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Since j and n do contribute to the energy (unlike spin).

The reality is that there are always going to be some problems on the GRE that you're just not going to get right because the authors were too esoteric in their problem writing. There's probably some text out there that stresses this particular analysis.

The sad fact is that there are many analyses of basic physics in standard textbooks that are completely wrong. This doesn't stop them from asking you questions about it. But in this case, I think the answer is correct, but the problem is unnaturally difficult.

Carl
 

Related to Selection Rules (Electric Dipole)

1. What are selection rules in electric dipole transitions?

Selection rules in electric dipole transitions are a set of rules that determine which transitions between energy states are allowed or forbidden. These rules are based on the conservation of energy, angular momentum, and parity.

2. What is the significance of selection rules in spectroscopy?

Selection rules play a crucial role in spectroscopy as they help us understand the allowed transitions between energy states and the intensity of the spectral lines. They also provide insights into the quantum mechanical properties of atoms and molecules.

3. How do selection rules differ for different types of spectroscopy?

The selection rules for electric dipole transitions differ from other types of spectroscopy, such as magnetic dipole or electric quadrupole transitions. This is because each type of transition involves different conservation laws and quantum numbers.

4. Can selection rules be violated?

Yes, selection rules can be violated in certain cases. This usually occurs when the selection rules are not strictly followed, or if there are additional factors influencing the transition such as external fields or interactions with other atoms or molecules.

5. How are selection rules experimentally verified?

Selection rules can be experimentally verified through spectroscopic measurements. By analyzing the intensity and polarization of spectral lines, scientists can determine which transitions are allowed and forbidden, confirming the accuracy of the selection rules.

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