Separate variables schrodinger equation

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The discussion revolves around the separation of variables in the context of the time-independent Schrödinger equation for a two-dimensional infinite square well potential. Participants are exploring how to express the wave function as a product of functions dependent on individual coordinates.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to substitute a product form for the wave function into the Schrödinger equation but expresses uncertainty about the next steps. Some participants question the explicit form of the potential V(x, y) and whether it can be simplified. Others discuss the implications of the potential being zero within the well and infinite outside, raising questions about the behavior of the wave function in these regions.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about the potential function and its implications for the wave function. There is a recognition that the potential cannot be neglected, and some guidance is being offered regarding the nature of the potential in the context of the problem.

Contextual Notes

There is a focus on the conditions of the infinite square well, specifically the boundaries where the potential is defined as zero or infinite. Participants are grappling with the implications of these conditions on the wave function and the separation of variables approach.

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Homework Statement


[2 Dimensional infinite square well]
Show that you can separate variables such that the solution to the time independent Schrödinger equation, ## \hat{H} \psi (x,y) = E \psi (x,y) ## can be written as a product state ## \psi (x,y) = \phi (x) \chi (y) ## where ## \phi (x)## is a function of only the x coordinate and ##\chi(y)## is a function of only the y coordinate.

Homework Equations



\hat{H} = -\dfrac{\hbar^2}{2m} \left( \dfrac{\partial^2}{\partial x^2} + \dfrac{\partial^2}{\partial y^2} \right) + V(x,y)

The Attempt at a Solution



So... putting in ## \psi (x,y) = \phi (x) \chi (y) ## I'll get:

\hat{H} \phi (x) \chi (y) = -\dfrac{\hbar^2}{2m} \left( \dfrac{\partial^2 \phi (x)}{\partial x^2} \chi (y) + \dfrac{\partial^2 \chi (y)}{\partial y^2} \phi (x) \right) + V(x,y) \phi (x) \chi (y)

And then dividing both sides by ## \phi (x) \chi (y) ## I'll get:

\hat{H} = -\dfrac{\hbar^2}{2m} \left( \dfrac{1}{\phi (x)} \dfrac{\partial^2 \phi (x)}{\partial x^2} + \dfrac{1}{\chi (y)} \dfrac{\partial^2 \chi (y)}{\partial y^2} \right) + V(x,y)

And then... I don't really know where to go from here. I don't get what I'm supposed to do next.
 
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What is the explicit form of V(x, y)? Can it be written as a sum X(x) + Y(y)?
 
For a 2D potential in the infinite square well:

$$
V(x,y) =
\begin{cases}
0, & \text{if } 0 \le x \le a & \text{and} & 0 \le y \le b \\
\infty, & \text{otherwise}
\end{cases}
$$

Does that mean V(x,y) can be neglected?

I just don't get what it's asking me to do.
 
Cogswell said:
For a 2D potential in the infinite square well:

$$
V(x,y) =
\begin{cases}
0, & \text{if } 0 \le x \le a & \text{and} & 0 \le y \le b \\
\infty, & \text{otherwise}
\end{cases}
$$

Does that mean V(x,y) can be neglected?

I just don't get what it's asking me to do.

V=0 in the potential well, if 0≤x≤a and 0≤y≤b, and infinite outside. Solve the equation inside the well with V=0, and outside where V is infinite. Is it possible that the wavefunction of a particle with finite energy differs from zero when the potential is infinite?

ehild
 
Cogswell said:
For a 2D potential in the infinite square well:

$$
V(x,y) =
\begin{cases}
0, & \text{if } 0 \le x \le a & \text{and} & 0 \le y \le b \\
\infty, & \text{otherwise}
\end{cases}
$$

Does that mean V(x,y) can be neglected?

Of course not. Think about $$
V_c(z) =
\begin{cases}
0, & \text{if } 0 \le z \le c\\
\infty, & \text{otherwise}
\end{cases}
$$
 

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