Separating rubber that is mixed in with stone?

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The discussion revolves around methods for separating a mixture of rubber and stone. Participants explore various techniques and considerations regarding the properties of the materials involved, including thermal and chemical approaches.

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  • One participant suggests heating the mixture until the rubber flows, followed by sieving or allowing the rocks to sink.
  • Another participant questions the effectiveness of heating, noting that the type of rubber may not flow sufficiently and that density differences could affect separation.
  • A different approach proposed involves freezing the mixture to make the rubber brittle, followed by mechanical processing to separate the components.
  • There is a suggestion to combine heating and freezing methods to enhance separation efficiency.
  • One participant mentions the possibility of burning off the rubber if only the rocks need to be salvaged.
  • Another participant discusses the distinction between thermoplastic and thermoset rubbers, indicating that thermosets may not melt and could only char when heated.
  • Using strong acids to decompose rubber is proposed as a method, with a caution about the potential reaction with limestone-based stones.
  • A chemical solvent approach is suggested, where a solvent incompatible with the rubber could be used to weaken the bond with the stone, facilitating separation.

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Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of heating versus freezing methods, and there is no consensus on the best approach to separate the rubber from the stone. Multiple competing methods are presented without agreement on a single solution.

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Participants note the importance of the specific type of rubber and stone involved, which may affect the proposed methods. There are also considerations regarding the desired outcome, whether to salvage one material over the other or both.

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Just looking for a few idea for me to explore.

Basically I have a lump of material that is little bits of stone and rubber stuck together that I need to separate.

Any ideas welcome

Thanks
 
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I would say heat it up till the rubber flows, then either push it through a sieve or let it set until the rocks sink to the bottom, and cut the bottom part off.
 
Welcome to PF, Shakermaker.
Lurch's suggestion is a good one in some ways, but might fall short in others. Primarily, I think that it would depend upon what sort of 'rubber' is involved. I've personally never seen any that would lose enough viscosity under heating to flow through a sieve. There's also the density to consider; it might or might not separate from the rocks due to either floating or sinking.
My first thought was actually to go the opposite way. If you freeze the mass, the 'rubber' should become brittle while the rocks remain unchanged. You could then whap it a few times with a hammer to get smaller chunks, then run it through a grinding mill with teeth that are made out of something just slightly stronger than the frozen rubber. They should pulverize it, while leaving the rocks intact.
Having seen Lurch's post, though, I believe that the two could be combined. If you use his process first, it would make the 'freeze separation' a lot easier.
A couple of things that you didn't specify is how large this mass is, and whether you have to salvage the rubber, the rocks, or both. If you only have to keep the rocks, for instance, I'd just burn the rubber off completely with a torch or kiln. If you have to keep only the rubber, or both, I'd use Lurch's heating method alternating with freezing and grinding. Eventually you should end up with little balls of rubber that are small enough to fall through a coarse screen that will stop the rocks.
This is just a first impression, though. Some more thought needs to go into it.
 
If the rubber is thermoplastic, you could melt it. If it is a thermoset (most likely) it will never melt again... only char. I have used strong acid (methane sulfonic) to decompose rubber. If the stone is relatively immune to acid, this treatment would work regardless of the type of rubber you have. If the stone is limestone based, the stone would be decomposed along with the rubber.

You could also apply a chemical solvent that would swell the rubber. Look up the solvent compatibility of the rubber you have and choose one that is incompatible. Acetone or methylene chloride come to mind. This would destroy the bond between the stone and the rubber and allow the release of the stone. Only the exposed stone will come away easily. A gentle grinding of the swelled rubber would expose the encapsulated rock, allowing it to fall out as well.
 

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