Service temperature increases material strength?

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The discussion centers around the phenomenon of increased material strength in nickel-based super-alloys at elevated temperatures, particularly in the context of turbine blades. Participants explore the mechanisms behind this behavior, including potential heat treatment processes and the role of material properties at high temperatures.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why nickel-based super-alloys become stronger at higher temperatures, noting that this seems counter-intuitive compared to typical metal behavior.
  • Another participant mentions various thermal hardening mechanisms such as solution annealing, precipitation hardening, and spinoidal decomposition as potential explanations for the observed strength increase.
  • A participant expresses gratitude for the clarification and shares their struggle with understanding metallurgy concepts, indicating a need for more accessible information.
  • Discussion of the Burgers vector is introduced, with a participant seeking further information on its relation to dislocations in crystalline materials.
  • Another participant provides resources and explanations regarding the Burgers vector and its significance in metallurgy, highlighting the complexity of the topic in three dimensions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the specific mechanisms behind the strength increase at elevated temperatures, and multiple viewpoints regarding the topic are presented. The discussion remains open-ended with ongoing questions and explorations.

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Some participants express uncertainty regarding the assumptions and definitions related to the mechanisms of thermal strengthening. The discussion includes references to external resources that may contain varying levels of complexity and clarity.

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This discussion may be useful for students and professionals interested in metallurgy, materials science, and engineering, particularly those exploring the properties of super-alloys and heat treatment processes.

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Hello All. I am getting my @$$ kicked by what seems to be a simple concept, and I hope someone can offer me a little help.

With some of the nickel based super-alloys such as what are used in turbine blades, why do the alloys get stronger as they get hotter? It seems counter-intuitive to me. Red hot metals are not typically "stronger" than those at room temperature. However, these blades withstand temperatures well beyond what it takes to melt most other metals and turbine blades remain strong. Is it because of the coatings? Is it because the additional heat creates a coalescence of the material and further heat treats it?

I hope I posted this in the correct forum. I only recently signed up with PF but I have frequented the site for some time now. I thank anyone and everyone for all the help provided.

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Strengthening (or hardening) by annealing occurs with solution annealing, precipitation (hardening) annealing or spinoidal decomposition. Alloy systems typical have specific thermal hardening mechanisms.

http://materion.com/~/media/Files/P...e No 18- Thermal Strengthening Mechanisms.pdf


See also Effect of Heat Treating on Superalloy Properties

http://www.keytometals.com/Article32.htm

See also Age hardening

See more on strengthening mechanisms here - http://dmseg5.case.edu/Classes/emse201/overheads/StreMech.pdf
 
Thank you very much for your help! That is exactly what I needed to make it make sense to me.

I am taking a metallurgy class on heat treatment, metal forming, and powder processing. Unfortunately, I am not grasping the material very well and the information my professor is offering assumes I know far more than I actually know! He moves far beyond my scope of comprehension at this point. Again, thank you so much for your help.

On a similar topic, while I was trying to learn more on this, I came across the Burgers vector. Do you know of anywhere I can get more information on this? The math on that seems to turn my brain into the equivalent of marshmallows in the microwave.

Again, thank you for your help.
 
Burger's vector is related to dislocations in crystalline materials, and both are part of the fundamental knowledge of metallurgy.

Dislocations are imperfections in the otherwise ordered array of the atomic lattice. Burger's vector "quantifies the difference between the distorted lattice around the dislocation and the perfect lattice."

http://www.doitpoms.ac.uk/tlplib/dislocations/burgers.php

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burgers_vector
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_structure

http://www.princeton.edu/~maelabs/mae324/glos324/burgersvector.htm
http://www.tf.uni-kiel.de/matwis/amat/def_en/kap_5/backbone/r5_1_1.html [this site has a pop-up that my browser blocks]

It's relatively straightforward in 2 dimensions (x,y), but it can be a bit more challenging in 3D.

Different authors may use different methods to describe it, and some methods are not so straightforward.
 

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