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SETI Signal

  1. Jun 19, 2004 #1
    No one knows for sure what caused this signal. There is a slight possibility that it just might originate from an extraterrestrial intelligence. The bright colors on the blue background indicate that an anomalous signal was received here on Earth by a radio telescope involved in a Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI)

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    http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap020728.html
    http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0207/unknownseti_cavan.jpg
     
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  3. Jun 19, 2004 #2
    Odd... I'm sure it can be explained, though. I mean, SETI (and earlier projects like it) has been going for something like 50 (?) years, and all of the odd signals can be explained by quasars, human interaction, and other natural devices.

    But if it is some aliens, it really makes you wonder, doesn't it?
     
  4. Jun 19, 2004 #3

    Ivan Seeking

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    SETI has only just begun. Assuming various distributions of intelligent life throughout the galaxy, some estimates show what we might not expect to find anything for another fifty years; and this assumes that we are looking for the correct signal - radio. There have been many anomolous signals that we can't explain. This particular one has charateristics of a known source but the fact is, we don't know. Unless a signal can be detected long enough by multiple stations so that we can verify the source location and rule out known astronomical phenomonon, we can only guess at the origins. Guessing does not mean ruling out ET as a possibility.
     
  5. Jun 19, 2004 #4
    Yes, the first thing we will do is administer an intelligence test, and check to see if they are really standing right in front of us, using the scientific method. We will assume that they are dumb as rocks, because they can't figure out the test, and then we will figure out they aren't really there, because we can't really prove anything.

    The last report of extra terrestrials on earth was turned in by Mexican pilots bamboozled by holographic images of UFO's; projected to protect a drug shipment, they were trying to intercept. I hope the right people discuss our planetary doings with the ET's who show up. Maybe our first contact will be someone shouting, "Hey, turn down that radio"!
     
  6. Jun 19, 2004 #5
    I haven't been following UFO reports. Is this true about the holographic projection? Drug smugglers have a technology like this?
     
  7. Jun 19, 2004 #6
    It seems we have alot of problems with intelligence on terra forget about extra terrestial!
     
  8. Jun 21, 2004 #7
    I think these SETI astronomers are listening on the wrong frequencies. Hydrogen times Pi sounds like BS cubed. Why all the fuss in the GHz ranges? Personally I’d be listening in the kHz just above audio (+50kHz for me). 100kHz sounds like a nice round number...
     
  9. Jun 22, 2004 #8

    Have you all heard the audio base for this signal?:
    http://www.setileague.org/software/unknown2.wav

    It does seem to sound like an 'Alien' source...

    Sounds like an intra-galactic-web network signal between two superconducting computers with enhanced microprocessors...

    If we ever have, or will receive an ET signal from a civilization that is millions of years more technologically advanced than ours...do we as humans actually posess enough intelligence of our own to understand or even capable of interpreting such an advanced signal?

    The question may not be that there may be intelligent life elsewhere in the galaxy, but rather, is there intelligent life here on Terra?


    http://www.crystalinks.com/ufomexico504.jpg
    http://www.crystalinks.com/mexico504.html

    Reference:
    http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0207/unknownseti_cavan.jpg
    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/images/17_5_2004_ufo2.jpg
    http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap020728.html
    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_17-5-2004_pg6_9
    http://www.ufoevidence.org/news/article98.htm
     
    Last edited: Jun 22, 2004
  10. Jun 22, 2004 #9

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    You're not confusing sound waves with radio waves, are you? "...the khz just above audio..." doesn't really have any meaning since radio waves aren't sound waves.

    In any case, it would be a pretty monumental task to probe the whole electromagnetic spectrum across the whole sky. We had to start somewhere.
     
  11. Jul 6, 2004 #10
    No, RF just in the ULF range. As most of us know, ULF signals carry a lot further than GHz ranged carriers. I’m thinking with that in mind, maybe it would be better to send up a (2?) spacecraft with a wireline antenna listening to signals in the kHz range.
     
  12. Jul 6, 2004 #11
    I personally don't believe in extra terrestrial intelligence. If you actually take into account how hostile space is you'll find that complex life, or life period, is statistically unlikely to exist at all. Read up on the "Rare Earth Hypothesis" and you'll see what I mean. The Drake equation simply leaves out too many important variables like having a large moon (super rare), a Jupiter-like world, supernovae radiation, being in a calm part of a galaxy, etc.

    Besides a civilization even as little as a thousand years ahead of us probably wouldn't even use radio any more. And they will probably be millions of years ahead if they even exist.
     
  13. Jul 6, 2004 #12
    LOL! I don’t expect to find life just floating in space, but living on planets... :D

    And I don’t understand why everyone seems to think that ET life has to be more advanced than us. What ever happened to being equal? :) There could also be the possibility that ET doesn’t have any fossil fuels on their planet - thinking that typical generative devices like engines to rockets would never have been thought of. Instead, everything would have been designed on the electrical. So, they (ET) may all have cars that run on hydrogen or electricity, and their scientists have figured out different ways to fly using “electroGravitics” ;) and have figured out better ways to send signals through space. At the same time, their children are still making mudpies, regular jobs are hard to find, cable tv shows are horrible just like here, and they still can get sick and die.

    We may be equals, but just thinking differently.
     
  14. Jul 6, 2004 #13
    I think its blindly obvious I didn't mean in space.

    And yes they will be either far ahead of us or far behind us because the chances of two civilizations emerging at the exact same time is very very unlikely. This isn't like Star Trek where somehow you have thousands of species at the same level.
     
  15. Jul 6, 2004 #14

    Ivan Seeking

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    Not to take sides by any means, but maybe technology levels off after a point. I don't think this is the case but even we may be near the end of our era fundamental discovery. So, it seems possible that all highly advanced species [whatever that means] will reach the same technological plane. It might just be a matter of phasers vs disruptors; so to speak.

    I think the implicit assumption of endless advancement is overlooked in this regard.
     
  16. Jul 6, 2004 #15

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    A book with ties to "Intelligent Design" proponents and "creationists"? Nope, I'll skip it.

    It made the bad pseudo science list of the Astronomical Pseudo-Science: A Skeptic's Resource List (Version 3.0; August 2003) of the Astronomical Society of the Pacific.

    Frazier, K. "Was the 'Rare Earth' Hypothesis Influenced by a Creationist?" in Skeptical Inquirer, Nov/Dec. 2001, p. 7. The controversial book that suggests that planets and life like ours may be extremely rare may have been influenced by a young University of Washington astronomer who is secretly a creationist.

    The article is here:

    http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2843/is_6_25/ai_79794362
     
  17. Jul 6, 2004 #16

    Ivan Seeking

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    Most interesting. Great post Evo!
     
  18. Jul 6, 2004 #17
    I didn't even know a creationist wrote it. And when you say "creationist" do you mean one who believes that Earth was created like "poof! There it is!" or just anyone who believes that God started the universe? Anyways here is wear I first heard about it: http://www.npl.washington.edu/AV/altvw102.html. From what I read here, life is rare.
     
  19. Jul 6, 2004 #18

    How about a checkout counter at an intergalactic grocery store? :tongue2:

    kewl stuff though!
     
  20. Jul 6, 2004 #19

    Evo

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    Entropy, you're not alone. Apparantly a lot of people were unaware that the information was from a creationist/intelligent design proponent.

    Yeah, creationism as in "poof" everything created just as it is now in only 7 days.

    When I read the title I remembered having read about it a couple of years ago.

    Again, so much is unknown that anything written on these subjects has to be taken with a grain of salt. People will always find information that supports their beliefs, and that applies to all sides of an argument. Some tend to try harder than others to remain objective, but it's not easy. I usually like to read different opinions whenever someone proposes something new, just as a means of "checks and balances".
     
  21. Jul 6, 2004 #20
    How about six days with one off to recuperate? :wink:
     
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