Should i be worried? (UV lamp wavelength)

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The discussion revolves around the characteristics of a UV lamp, specifically the implications of its color temperature and the wavelengths it emits. Participants explore the relationship between color temperature and actual emitted wavelengths, as well as the potential hazards associated with UV exposure.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculated a peak wavelength of 96 nm for their UV lamp based on its color temperature, raising concerns about potential hazards.
  • Another participant clarified that color temperature does not directly indicate the wavelengths emitted, suggesting the lamp likely emits in the 200-300 nm range.
  • Some participants questioned the purpose of providing color temperature if it does not accurately reflect the emitted wavelengths, suggesting it may only indicate the perceived color of the light.
  • There was a discussion about the types of UV lamps, with one participant noting that inexpensive models are often mercury vapor lamps that emit specific UV wavelengths.
  • Several participants discussed the implications of color temperature in relation to perceived color and actual spectral output, with examples involving fluorescent bulbs and their spectral power distribution.
  • One participant expressed confusion about the calculated wavelengths corresponding to various color temperatures, noting discrepancies that suggest a shift in expected color representation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the interpretation of color temperature and its relevance to emitted wavelengths. There is no consensus on the implications of these calculations or the potential hazards of UV exposure.

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Some discussions involve assumptions about the nature of the lamp and its components, as well as the limitations of color temperature as a descriptor of light emission. The conversation also reflects uncertainty regarding the relationship between calculated wavelengths and perceived colors.

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Individuals interested in the physics of light, UV radiation, and the practical implications of using UV lamps may find this discussion relevant.

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i was looking at my UV lamp that i got from walmart. i was looking for a wavelength on there but i only saw "color temperature" i immediately thought Wien's law; so then i calculated the peak wavelength and got 96nm which is on the far side of the UV spectrum (close to X-ray). it's a 118V with a 20W power rating so i don't exactly imagine the intensity being tiny either. should i be worried?
 
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Color temperature does not tell you the wavelengths emitted, it merely tells you how hot a blackbody would have to be to emit radiation over a broad spectrum that would look that color. Your UV lamp is NOT emitting 96 nm radiation. Your lamp probably emits radiation in the 200-300 nm range.

Is this UV lamp like a blacklight, or something else?

Edit: Actually, if you could link the lamp you bought or tell us the brand it would help.
 
Color temperature does not tell you the wavelengths emitted

by giving the color temperature aren't they essentially giving me the distribution with the peak wavelength? if not, what was the point of giving the color temperature?

this was the best link i could find: http://www.sc-liquidations.com/product_info.php?products_id=33551
 
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although, now that i think about it, unless the lamp has just all the right elements/compounds in it to produce that exact distribution, it cannot produce that distribution of colors because simply it is not that hot. So that still begs the question what was the purpose of writing the color temperature?
 
The inexpensive ones are usually mercury vapor lamps (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury-vapor_lamp).

Depending on the envelope it will emit 254 nm (UV-C) or 365 nm (UV-A).

The 254 nm is germicidal, while the 365 nm is the usual blacklight; the 180 nm line is blocked unless you have a quartz envelope - this would be a lamp intended for some special purpose.

You don't want to look at or expose your skin to the 254 nm light; the Wikipedia article lists some of the hazards. When I work with this wavelength I always were safety goggles which block everything below 400 nm, and use the lamp in a dark box. I use the lamp for modification of material surface conditions.
 
The color temperature doesn't tell you the peak wavelength unless it is a blackbody. However it is useful in the lighting industry to describe how "natural" a light source is ...
 
Take a fluorescent light bulb, one of those new kinds we have everywhere. If you look at it through a spectrograph you'll see that it emits light in only a few frequencies. These mix together and we see the light as being "white" or some other color. This color that the light looks, is what color temp is. (Well, technically it's their "spectral power distribution") If you calculate what the temperature of a blackbody needs to be to give you that same color, you could end up with a peak wavelength that the bulb doesn't even emit. It's just the way the energy is split between the different wavelengths.

As a simple example, let's say I have a light that emits ONLY 400 nm and 500 nm light. Depending on the ratio of the two wavelengths, my color temp could be almost anything. Adding a near equal mix gives me around 5,000 k, give or take some. If the 400 nm light is twice as strong as the 500, then my color temp is much higher, say 10,000 k or something.

Does that make sense?
 
iScience said:
although, now that i think about it, unless the lamp has just all the right elements/compounds in it to produce that exact distribution, it cannot produce that distribution of colors because simply it is not that hot. So that still begs the question what was the purpose of writing the color temperature?

The purpose is to let people know what color the light will be when they turn it on. That way if I go to the store and buy a 5500 k bulb, I know it will be "white", or if I buy a 2700 k bulb I know it will be "orangeish".

See below:

Incand-3500-5500-color-temp-comparison.png
 
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Take a fluorescent light bulb, one of those new kinds we have everywhere. If you look at it through a spectrograph you'll see that it emits light in only a few frequencies.

Hopefully the fluorescent tube does not emit any of the UV mercury lines - the light that you see should all be from the phosphor coatings; the UV lines are the activators.

See http://home.howstuffworks.com/fluorescent-lamp2.htm
 
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iScience said:
by giving the color temperature aren't they essentially giving me the distribution with the peak wavelength? if not, what was the point of giving the color temperature?

this was the best link i could find: http://www.sc-liquidations.com/product_info.php?products_id=33551

Okay, it appears to be a normal blacklight. See the following article for a list of peak wavelengths emitted by various blacklight bulbs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blacklight
 
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UltrafastPED said:
Hopefully the fluorescent tube does not emit any of the UV mercury lines - the light that you see should all be from the phosphor coatings; the UV lines are the activators.

See http://home.howstuffworks.com/fluorescent-lamp2.htm

I'm sure they don't.
 
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That way if I go to the store and buy a 5500 k bulb, I know it will be "white", or if I buy a 2700 k bulb I know it will be "orangeish".

okay, so i calculated the corresponding wavelength for the 5500K, and it was near the green meaning all the colors would be mixed almost evenly giving a white color. however, i calculated the corresponding wavelength for the 2700K, and i got 1074 nm which is definitely in the infrared spectrum, and the graph of the color distribution falls off pretty rapidly as you move to the left from the peak wavelength, which seems like the color should be a lot redder than the color of the 2700K in the picture. 3500K corresponds to 828nm which is still on the IR side! hmm.. everything seems to be shifted to the right of where the peak wavelengths are...
 
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iScience said:
okay, so i calculated the corresponding wavelength for the 5500K, and it was near the green meaning all the colors would be mixed almost evenly giving a white color.

Not true. A 5500 k object has a spectrum with a significant difference in radiation towards the blue and red ends. But our eyes are "calibrated" to see this as white still. (We actually see "white" over a wide range of conditions)

however, i calculated the corresponding wavelength for the 2700K, and i got 1074 nm which is definitely in the infrared spectrum, and the graph of the color distribution falls off pretty rapidly as you move to the left from the peak wavelength, which seems like the color should be a lot redder than the color of the 2700K in the picture. 3500K corresponds to 828nm which is still on the IR side!

Consider that metal glows cherry red at around 1,000 k and distinctly orange at around 1500 k. By 2,000 k objects are yellowish-white.

Play around with this calculator: http://www.spectralcalc.com/blackbody_calculator/blackbody.php
 

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