I Should the Wave Equation for a Longitudinal Wave Include Time?

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The discussion centers on whether the wave equation for a longitudinal wave should include time in its derivation. While the equation dψ = (∂ψ/∂x) dx is used, some argue that time should also be considered, leading to the equation dψ = (∂ψ/∂x) dx + (∂ψ/∂t) dt. However, it is clarified that during the derivation, time is often "frozen" to analyze spatial variations, which simplifies the calculations. The conversation also touches on the application of the chain rule and the context-dependent nature of when to include time in such equations. Ultimately, understanding the context is crucial for determining the appropriate application of derivatives in wave equations.
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Hi.
I am working through " A Student's guide to waves " by Fleisch. In deriving the wave equation for a longitudinal wave it uses
dψ = (∂ψ/∂x) dx

where ψ is the displacement but ψ is a function of x and t ; so shouldn't this equation be
dψ = (∂ψ/∂x) dx + (∂ψ/∂t) dt

Thanks
 
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Strictly speaking you are correct. However, in these derivations one takes a snapshot of the wave at some particular instant and analyzes perhaps a free body diagram of a piece of the medium. (I assume this is the kind of derivation you are looking at.) So "time" is frozen, and one considers the spatial variation only.
 
thanks. It does look like a snapshot taken at a particular time but it also involves acceleration taken as ∂2ψ/∂t2 so it looks like when its convenient t is taken as a constant and when its convenient t is not a constant !
 
Acceleration is always involved in the use of a FBD the purpose of which is the apply Newton's 2nd Law. Snapshots of the wave at different times will yield the same equation m(d2ψ/dt2 )= Fnet. Think of d2ψ/dt2 as "acceleration" not as an instruction to you to take the second time derivative and apply the chain rule as you do so.
 
in this case I'm following a derivation from a book but in general if I'm faced with a function of 2 or more variables I would always apply the chain rule. How would I know when this is not to be applied ?
 
dyn said:
How would I know when this is not to be applied ?
It depends on the context, what you are doing and where you are going with it. For example, if you write ##r^2=x^2+y^2##, then
$$d(r^2)=\frac{\partial (x^2)}{\partial x}dx+\frac{\partial (y^2)}{\partial y}dy=2xdx+2ydy$$
You can see what this is saying: when you move in a general direction both ##x## and ##y## change. However, if you move along only one of the independent variables, say ##x## only, then ##dy=0##. Similarly here, when you "freeze" time to study the FBD of the string segment, it is implied that ##dt=0## because you "move" along independent variable ##x## only when you consider ##d\psi##.
 
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thank you. That helps
 
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